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Re: The One Google Plus Feature Facebook Should Fear

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Post by dekz »

jsdalton wrote: post #10
cryptoz wrote: post #2

Am I being unrealistically impatient, or is the only feature that actually matters the feature that lets your friends sign up? Google+ is a ghost town for me right now and there's nothing I can do to change that. It's very frustrating. I love the ideas in Google+ and want to use it, but I've got no ability to share or add friends.

You're one step ahead of me: I love the ideas in Google+ and want to use it, but I haven't gotten an invite yet!

I got an invite, to my google apps domain account. Can't use it.

Re: The One Google Plus Feature Facebook Should Fear

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Post by DrHankPym »

Ygor wrote: post #6
cryptoz wrote: post #2

Am I being unrealistically impatient, or is the only feature that actually matters the feature that lets your friends sign up? Google+ is a ghost town for me right now and there's nothing I can do to change that. It's very frustrating. I love the ideas in Google+ and want to use it, but I've got no ability to share or add friends.

I had the opposite reaction: At first only a couple of close friends were in my circles, and it felt like a true social site. Even though many of us are miles and miles apart, we were sharing, talking, hanging out and posting. All this without hundreds of relatives, coworkers, ex girlfriends silently watching us like some stalkers from the bushes. It got even better once i realized that because of the way circles wor…

I'm actually very excited about this feature. I feel like George Costanza faced with "worlds colliding" when my family, friends, and coworkers were all meeting each other on my wall.

I had to give up the site because I have to keep those lives separate for my own sanity.

Re: The One Google Plus Feature Facebook Should Fear

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Post by r00fus »

I think Google's real goal with + is to fight Facebook in social searching.

The fact that it's a different form of social network (more refined imho) and has new features (hangouts, circles) is bonus.

Google's bottom-line success with + will be the mitigation of the Facebook social search threat... anything else is gravy.

Re: The One Google Plus Feature Facebook Should Fear

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Post by farlington »

matwood wrote: post #7

This article is dead on. I already have many google apps open all day and g+ will integrate with those nicely. A friend already exclaimed this morning that the google apps integration is what will kill FB (if that's even possible - myspace still has users). He then set out to move over those he actually cared about on FB to g+. I especially like default use of groups and how it forces users to think about privacy fro…

It's a brilliant strategy, and I'd be very surprised if it doesn't lead to some antitrust litigation.

Re: The One Google Plus Feature Facebook Should Fear

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Post by joebadmo »

r00fus wrote: post #13

I think Google's real goal with + is to fight Facebook in social searching. The fact that it's a different form of social network (more refined imho) and has new features (hangouts, circles) is bonus. Google's bottom-line success with + will be the mitigation of the Facebook social search threat... anything else is gravy.

Circles isn't really new. It's definitely implemented better (exposed and integrated), but it suffers from what I think is a serious weakness: hidden complexity. When you think about it as a broadcast, it's very simple and straightforward, but when someone in one of your Circles starts commenting/talking back, it gets a lot more complicated.

More thorough explanation here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2714333

Re: The One Google Plus Feature Facebook Should Fear

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Post by joebadmo »

DrHankPym wrote: post #12
Ygor wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had the opposite reaction: At first only a couple of close friends were in my circles, and it felt like a true social site. Even though many of us are miles and miles apart, we were sharing, talking, hanging out and posting. All this without hundreds of relatives, coworkers, ex girlfriends silently watching us like some stalkers from the bushes. It got even better once i realized that because of the way circles wor…

I'm actually very excited about this feature. I feel like George Costanza faced with "worlds colliding" when my family, friends, and coworkers were all meeting each other on my wall. I had to give up the site because I have to keep those lives separate for my own sanity.

I was also excited about this feature (and the way it's properly exposed and integrated) until I started thinking about how sharing to a list can get complicated in deceptive ways very quickly. For example: when someone comments on something I shared, how does she know who will see that comment?

I have a more thorough explanation here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2714333

Re: The One Google Plus Feature Facebook Should Fear

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Post by michaelchisari »

joebadmo wrote: post #15
r00fus wrote: post #13

I think Google's real goal with + is to fight Facebook in social searching. The fact that it's a different form of social network (more refined imho) and has new features (hangouts, circles) is bonus. Google's bottom-line success with + will be the mitigation of the Facebook social search threat... anything else is gravy.

Circles isn't really new. It's definitely implemented better (exposed and integrated), but it suffers from what I think is a serious weakness: hidden complexity. When you think about it as a broadcast, it's very simple and straightforward, but when someone in one of your Circles starts commenting/talking back, it gets a lot more complicated. More thorough explanation here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2714333

Appleseed has already addressed this. When you comment, a push notification is sent to the group defined the context. Actions are not broadcast, contexts are.

IE, Alice posts a blog, which is available to Group A. Bob posts a comment to the blog, and members of Group A are notified (even if they're not on Bob's friends list). Chris, who is on Bob's friends list, but not a member of Group A, will not receive a notification.

Re: The One Google Plus Feature Facebook Should Fear

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Post by jrsmith1279 »

r00fus wrote: post #13

I think Google's real goal with + is to fight Facebook in social searching. The fact that it's a different form of social network (more refined imho) and has new features (hangouts, circles) is bonus. Google's bottom-line success with + will be the mitigation of the Facebook social search threat... anything else is gravy.

I agree. I love the idea of social searching, but when Facebook and Bing partnered up I was a little disappointed. I don't like Bing at all and have even made a conscious effort to force myself to like it, but just couldn't get in to it.

Re: The One Google Plus Feature Facebook Should Fear

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Post by joebadmo »

michaelchisari wrote: post #17
joebadmo wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Circles isn't really new. It's definitely implemented better (exposed and integrated), but it suffers from what I think is a serious weakness: hidden complexity. When you think about it as a broadcast, it's very simple and straightforward, but when someone in one of your Circles starts commenting/talking back, it gets a lot more complicated. More thorough explanation here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2714333

Appleseed has already addressed this. When you comment, a push notification is sent to the group defined the context . Actions are not broadcast, contexts are. IE, Alice posts a blog, which is available to Group A. Bob posts a comment to the blog, and members of Group A are notified (even if they're not on Bob's friends list). Chris, who is on Bob's friends list, but not a member of Group A, will not receive a notifi…

That's still potentially confusing, though. Bob has no idea who is part of Group A apart from himself. He could probably check, but there's a cognitive load/uncertainty there that equals friction to every secondary action (like a comment).

So there's two problems: 1. Bob might comment on Alice's post thinking he's in his own social context, which is reinforced by the fact that on Google+, he's in his own UI and Alice's post shows up in his Circle; 2. Bob has to consciously check to see what the context is every time he wants to make a comment on Alice's post.

My idea for a potential solution is "Places." Which is through the link I posted above.

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