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Mammals can absorb oxygen through their intestines

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Re: Mammals can absorb oxygen through their intestines

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Post by tines »

willcipriano wrote: post #34
newsbinator wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After all this time, I still have no idea how I feel about tortuous animal testing for medical breakthroughs. It's a trolley problem with an unknown number of people on Track A and an unknown number of animals on Track B. I don't even know how I feel about replacing animals in these experiments with human violent offenders. Can we justify experimenting on a known serial killer if the experiment will save a million ch…

> we justify experimenting on a known serial killer if the experiment will save a million children's lives in the next 10 years? Without hesitation. A serial killer is someone who believes murder is acceptable and turnabout is fair play. Provided they are actually guilty there is little that is unjustified when dealing with willfully violent actors such as that. Add in now this person who has harmed society can be us…

"Don't worry, that willcipriano guy we experimented on and murdered was a known serial killer. Never mind that he was a political dissident or whatever."

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Post by barbazoo »

ravenstine wrote: post #26

So if you're performing CPR, could it increase the chance of survival if someone else performed mouth-to-anus on the person? Maybe in the future first aid kits won't just come with CPR masks but also anal dilators and a brush.

Only if the airway is blocked to a degree that ventilation through the anus would be more effective

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Post by david422 »

GordonS wrote: post #11
standardUser wrote: post #3

Two things really stood out in this article. One is how brutal animal experimentation can be. The other is the opening line.

I read a lot of medical research papers, and I've been thinking about this recently. Every time I read about a rat being "euthanized" or "sacrificed", when they have neuropathy induced by toxins, when they have limbs amputated, when they have their spine severed... I can't help but pause for a moment and think about that animal. I wonder if there are any good estimates of how many rats, rabbits, dogs and otherwise ar…

Yea, every time I receive medical care for some amazing drug or whatever, it crosses my mind of how many animals probably suffered getting it to that point.

And I think maybe we should just call it good right now and stop the experimentation. But that's not really realistic either.

I don't know if there is a good solution :(

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Post by Ralfp »

ihaveajob wrote: post #39

It's only a matter of time before this is used as a standard performance enhancement trick for endurance sports. Only saying this half-jokingly.

„It was found that John Doe took liquid-oxygen enema before run, unfairly improving his performance.”

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Post by x3iv130f »

Judgmentality wrote: post #19
bostonsre wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea... poor mice.. hopefully they weren't awake.

I have a hunch future generations will look back on our animal experimentation similar to how we look back on human experimentation, horrified but with a silver lining (and most people just prefer not to think about it much at all). I'm very much against both, but I recognize the important advances they've made for medicine. I also recognize that most of the advances for animals don't translate to humans, and some ev…

Nazi human experimentation was torture done under the auspices of junk-science. It was recognized as such even by the people of that time period.

Nothing that they studied is taught in science programs anywhere today.

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