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Tauri: Rust-based Electron alternative releases beta

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Re: Tauri: Rust-based Electron alternative releases beta

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Post by jackson1442 »

dfabulich wrote: post #76

I'm really struck by the differences between Electron's website and Tauri's website. https://www.electronjs.org/ https://tauri.studio/ Tauri's website is way, way worse. Tauri uses unnecessary jargon where Electron's site uses simple, more direct language. Electron: > Build cross-platform desktop apps with JavaScript, HTML, and CSS Tauri: > Build smaller, faster, and more secure desktop applications with a web fronte…

Exactly my thoughts. I feel like Tauri is trying to let Rust carry the project instead of writing decent marketing materials. Really the only thing I see on Tauri's site that makes me want to use it is Rust, while I can see many value props on Electron's site.

Re: Tauri: Rust-based Electron alternative releases beta

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Post by andrewmcwatters »

bstar77 wrote: post #85
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #42

I don't care about your YouTube videos, I don't care about your governance, I don't care about your book, tell me what it is in non-marketing speak and show me a screenshot on the front page and shut up about everything else. Tell me what it is, show me what it looks like, provide a "Hello, World!" API example for opening a window on the front page. Stop contributing to landing pages that jerk the consumer around.

"Tauri is a toolkit that helps developers make applications for the major desktop platforms - using virtually any frontend framework in existence. The core is built with Rust and the CLI leverages Node.js making Tauri a genuinely polyglot approach to creating and maintaining great apps." That's the first paragraph on the About page. Landing pages have multiple purposes and need to address different types of viewers,…

Nope. Landing pages have one purpose, to funnel you further down into adoption or allow you a place to access things you've already adopted. That's it. Everything else is noise.

Re: Tauri: Rust-based Electron alternative releases beta

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Post by fabiospampinato »

Jweb_Guru wrote: post #78
fabiospampinato wrote: post #68

As a developer of an Electron app to me a competing framework that doesn't bundle its own rendering engine doesn't make sense, why would I want to trade control over how my app is rendered for ~100MB of disk space? I might as well just ship a website at that point, almost everything that makes Electron appealing comes from shipping your own rendering engine.

Order of magnitude memory reduction, not disk space, was the selling point last time I heard. And given how often I hear users complaining about memory consumption in Electron apps, I think that is something pretty attractive, if it pans out.

> Order of magnitude memory reduction

That doesn't make sense to me, you are still using a browser at the end of the day. Sure you can save some memory by not bundling Node (at the cost of making even reading a file much more difficult), but that's not orders of magnitudes.

Re: Tauri: Rust-based Electron alternative releases beta

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Post by qwertox »

nim2020 wrote: post #54
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #42

I don't care about your YouTube videos, I don't care about your governance, I don't care about your book, tell me what it is in non-marketing speak and show me a screenshot on the front page and shut up about everything else. Tell me what it is, show me what it looks like, provide a "Hello, World!" API example for opening a window on the front page. Stop contributing to landing pages that jerk the consumer around.

Like I wrote in another response, we are due for a landing page revamp, and we'll be sure to make a "nothing but the facts" hero for people like yourself who are concerned that their time is being wasted.

TBH it was pretty frustrating and also for me it was a waste of time.

Even though the project itself sounds very promising, because "Rust" and "Electron alternative".

But how can I know if it really is an Electron replacement if I'm not even sure if I can create native context menus or integrate it into the SysTray?

Re: Tauri: Rust-based Electron alternative releases beta

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Post by nsonha »

ironmagma wrote: post #55
nsonha wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> zero contracts between dependencies. Isn't typescript contract? This is not really about JS, if I want to replace JS I'll pick a language with similar characteristics that make it successful. Similar to how you replace C++ with rust, another language that gives you control of memory. For app developments they are simplicity and a focus on domain modelling with a good type system (this is typescript teritory), NOT m…

I think Typescript won't check that two of your dependencies are compatible with each other; it will only check that your app is compatible with dependencies. Even then, the check isn't very strong, since TypeScript operates on a "as you want it" basis, which is nice in some ways but also means you could get overly permissive behavior, especially if you're using third party typings, which is fairly common. > the focu…

I'm not saying that go and C++ have better type systems. I'm saying like rust, their type systems are built to aid the compiler. High-level languages like ocaml or f# have type systems made for domain modeling

Re: Tauri: Rust-based Electron alternative releases beta

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Post by clejack »

distribot wrote: post #72
nim2020 wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like I wrote in another response, we are due for a landing page revamp, and we'll be sure to make a "nothing but the facts" hero for people like yourself who are concerned that their time is being wasted.

I think if time on page and average session metrics suggested that's what people wanted, that's what we would see. It's like complaining about how the news reports on inane stuff.

Sounds like a case of bad metrics. Time on page when your goal is to get people to use your software/framework isn't meaningful. In fact, I suspect better communication leads to shorter times.

Similar idea with news. The objectives of profit and conveying meaningful information aren't necessarily aligned.

Disregarding the subjectivity of 'meaningful,' the advice 'know your target audience' is good from both a product design and marketing presentation stand point.

Re: Tauri: Rust-based Electron alternative releases beta

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Post by fabiospampinato »

pavlov wrote: post #88
fabiospampinato wrote: post #68

As a developer of an Electron app to me a competing framework that doesn't bundle its own rendering engine doesn't make sense, why would I want to trade control over how my app is rendered for ~100MB of disk space? I might as well just ship a website at that point, almost everything that makes Electron appealing comes from shipping your own rendering engine.

Apple's brand new iMacs with the M1 CPU only have 8 GB of RAM. If every little desktop widget loads its own browser engine, most of that RAM will be spent on redundant copies of Chromium. If your Electron app is something that you expect users to run almost exclusively, then no problem. If it's just another little client app for some service, please consider a solution that would reduce its memory footprint.

That's a fair point, but just ship a website then, much easier and pretty much same result.

It makes sense to use frameworks like Electron if they enable new capabilities for your app, and Electron is very good at that, bundling Node.js with it, which allows you to share code between frontend and backend and tap into the same ecosystem of packages, plus chances are you already know Node.js, Tauri is enabling 0 of this, at least presently.

Re: Tauri: Rust-based Electron alternative releases beta

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Post by whatshisface »

Waterluvian wrote: post #90
juancampa wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting that you guys list "No Rust Skills Required" as a Pro instead of a Con. As a Rust programmer I'd prefer "No JS Required"

? Are you asking for them to make an entirely different product?

It's off-topic, but it would be nice for someone to make a really good GUI toolkit for Rust. Something that integrates with system APIs for copy-paste and stuff like that.
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