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Ask HN: Would you rather work 4 days per week for 80% salary?

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Re: Ask HN: Would you rather work 4 days per week for 80% salary?

#31

I’ve had jobs where I worked 80 hours and jobs where I worked 20 hours and they were all officially normal full time jobs. As an overtime-exempt salary worker, the official number of hours I work doesn’t matter very much. If you want to work less, just spend less time working. You don’t need to try to convince your boss to sign off on it. If your job is too hard for you to meet expectations with your preferred work-l…

What does this have to do with the topic at hand? Being expected to be available for work 4 days per week vs 5 days per week has nothing to do with how many hours you actually work.

I believe he is saying that most jobs say one thing about hours and then often do another thing entirely. So in that world, taking a lower paying job for a theoretically better work life balance probably isn't going to pan out.

Re: Ask HN: Would you rather work 4 days per week for 80% salary?

#32

I currently do this, but I work all 5 weekdays. I just work shorter days Monday - Wednesday. I love it, it is my favorite perk of the job I have. I'm able to use my afternoons to exercise, take care of chores around the house, and run errands if necessary. My night after dinner time is completely free. Another perk that's similar but not exactly the same thing is flexible schedule, meaning if I have something to do d…

I agree, I work part time (30hrs) at a company in Germany where "full time" is 35 hours/week, which more and more companies adopt here.

It's great. I'm done early in the afternoon and there is plenty of time left to spend with my family.

Re: Ask HN: Would you rather work 4 days per week for 80% salary?

#34
I actually do, after years of being indie developer I joined fintech company as a tech lead and am working 4 days a week for 80% of pay and spend extra day working on my farm. I do have flexible schedule, but usually take either Wed or Thu day off.

As far as I know I was first who had this arrangement two years ago, but now I see it quite common among my team. I am also thinking about lowering my work to 3 days a week for further pay reduction.

Re: Ask HN: Would you rather work 4 days per week for 80% salary?

#35
I currently work 32 hours / week at 80% pay and have done so for some time. On paper we agreed on 5*6,4 hours per week, but it is really flexibel. In practice I work somewhere between 32-40 hours a week and additionally take a couple of days off per month.

For me, it's the best arrangement I've ever had. If I don't feel like it or need to take care of some other stuff, I just work for a couple hours a day. Other times I really enjoy it and work 8-10. Additionally I get long weekends without having to use any holidays.

I also think my employer gets a better deal this way. Being productive 8 hours a day is more or less wishful thinking. I think the reality is somewhere between 4-6 hours for normal people. Hence I'm still almost as productive asif I were working 40h/week, but at 80% the cost for my employer. Everybody wins.

Re: Ask HN: Would you rather work 4 days per week for 80% salary?

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> I've talked to 100+ companies trying to convince them to offer their developer roles I wouldn't be happy if I heard that some random person is contacting my employer to change the contract and payment structure at the company I work for. Advocating for yourself is one thing, cold calling companies and potentially affecting people that never asked for this is just wrong. Even if it's just to offer it as an option an…

This is an extremely strange criticism. Unless you have some kind of strong union or co-op situation, as an employee you have almost zero control over the contract and payment structure at your company, and management’s decisions around it are influenced by factors as varied as “their spouse’s wishes” or “something they heard Elon Musk say on a podcast” or “a Tony Robbins quote on LinkedIn”. Having someone cold-call…

It's very straightforward.

1. I work for a company and I want to get paid more, not less.

2. OP is contacting companies and asking them to move to a model in which they pay less. (Even if the rate is the same, the absolute amount is less)

3. From the previous two points it follows that I don't agree with what OP is doing.

Re: Ask HN: Would you rather work 4 days per week for 80% salary?

#37
YES! And I have been doing it for the last 9 years.

In fact I recently went down to 3 days a week for 60% salary and that's even better (although I do use the other day for other work sometimes if it's something I'd like to do).

Main benefit has been increased time with my daughter.

My 2 cents for anyone trying it:

1) Take Monday off - everyone is still getting stuff together on Monday so it won't be so disruptive. Plus, you won't hate Mondays anymore :)

2) Be very strict with the day off. Never compromise on it, at least for the first few months. Make sure everyone understands that you are absolutely not working and cannot work that day and things will be OK. If you don't it will cause confusion and many problems.

Re: Ask HN: Would you rather work 4 days per week for 80% salary?

#39
My sense is, it's one less day, but not necessarily 20% less productivity. That is, 4 days on and 3 off helps to refresh the mind and the body.

So at 80% the employer is probably getting 85%, perhaps more.

Finally, it's worth considering, for companies that honor the standard Monday holidays (in the USA and UK) those are already 4 day weeks. If that's 10 holidays, we're now only talking 40-ish days. If days were 8.5 hrs not 8 That's another ~10 days. Now you're around 30 days.

Maybe that's a number you can sell? I'm certainly trying to do so.

Re: Ask HN: Would you rather work 4 days per week for 80% salary?

#40

4 days wouldn't equal 80% of the time, you'd be expected to work extra on those 4 days and get nothing for it.

People who work 5 days aren't really working just 100%, they complain that they are asked to stay late and work weekends with little or no comp. (I.e. comp days that are more vacation days they can never actually schedule.)

It is actually easier to penalize a company that makes you work more than agreed upon when the agreement is less than 100%.

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