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Obsidian ( https://obsidian.md ) also offers offline, + for free.
Are either Roam or Obsidian collaborative?
Roam: yes
Obsidian: unsure (I think not)
Notion API – public beta
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Re: Notion API – public beta
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My company had Notion hit us up for an Enterprise contract. When we asked if they offered enhanced security, single tenancy, or even they’d accept some sort of liability if they had a breach … the answer was no, no, and no. We ultimately decided to not go enterprise since it offers little value over their existing plan and keep sensitive data out of Notion. I hope Notion gets to a point where they can offer stronger…
Notion doesn't even need to offer these guarantees in their SaaS service. They can just ship to my Kubernetes cluster, and let me manage the ingress and storage, and that would be enough to make it mission critical software. In the meantime, we end up using tools with a little bit less good UX, but we just can't share that data publicly. UX can't win over security, and I hate having to choose.
Curious, how is that a less good UX?
That seems exactly like what customers want — just when you share things publicly it goes to a separate public sandbox? It should be fairly trivial to obfuscate
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The big attractor to Notion for me is the All-in-on workspace idea. It's a table-database, it's a wiki, it's a kanban board, it's a team calendar, it's a project gallery, it's a blog. Tables can have wiki notes, which can have tables. The recursive nature works very well for organizing your knowledgebase and having an entire org work together. The things I hate about notion. 1) pressing / anywhere opens the menu. So…
> It's a table-database, it's a wiki, it's a kanban board, it's a team calendar, it's a project gallery, it's a blog. So what does it do that something like gitlab or phabricator cannot do ? And if you are willing to consider different products for different things then you have dokuwiki/xwiki/wikijs/bookstack for wiki and multiple popular project management tools like kanboard/focalboard.
> So what does it do that something like gitlab or phabricator cannot do ?
Gitlab is great. Their wiki is absolute shit.
Notion just has a mostly really great user experience for writing notes, adding some tables or screenshots, moving them around, etc.
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Are either Roam or Obsidian collaborative?
Roam seems to be working on it. I’m unsure the status as I haven’t checked in a few months.
I think Roam has been fully collaborative since the launch. The browser keeps the whole database in IndexedDB and syncs it continuously with a WebSocket streaming Datomic-style transactions.
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>Totally understand that you want more options for how to host your data. Unfortunately, we don't have any plans on that front at the moment. This is unfortunate. I tried Notion a few months back, and almost loved it enough to pay for a subscription. Once I saw that, I refunded the subscription and went back to markdown and git. I love your software, but the lock-in is frustrating.
If you’re the CEO, would you rather have a frustrating but profitable product or a non-frustrating but non-profitable product? I think people forget this part of the math.
I don't see how or why these things have to be related in any way whatsoever? Atlassian offers self hosted solutions and presumably do so because it's profitable. I don't see why offering a self hosted solution has to somehow mean less profit, or to the extent of non-profitability for that matter.
You could make it *more* expensive to use the self hosted version. It's straightforward to justify if you consider the additional development overhead, and if you include some kind of a support package.
My question is genuine. I see strange justifications like this often when it comes to self hosted versions of X, Y, or Z product. What exactly is the risk to profit here? I can see extra engineering overhead as a possible risk, but that's a solvable problem. There are many ways to handle software updates. Spinning up new backend environments is often done on devs machines daily when developing. I don't see any novel problem that hasn't been solved.
The "we have no plans for this", or "we are looking into it" are all often used ways of avoiding the question of "why aren't you doing this?" There are plenty of companies out there that for one reason or another, need to control the environment where their data lives. Why give up that business? Why do people who work at those places have to often settle for worse products because of this? Why not give businesses *choice* of storing their data or having someone else deal with the complexity?
Is it that the presumed market for this is too small? And why is nobody being transparent about this?
Re: Notion API – public beta
#236I've recently started using Notion and I'm surprised at few things that I find incredibly annoying with it so far. Since it seems there are some Notion staff here I'll take this as a change to give some feedback to hopefully improve the product. * No read-only mode. I like to have documents default to a read-only mode so I don't accidentally typo random characters, or delete something when try copying. etc. * No floa…
While we’re making a wish list, the biggest thing for me would be permissions on database tables. It’s very hard to centralise info using tables when you need multiple versions for multiple people (e.g. if I’m tracking job applicants in Notion, I want to be able to store some personal information but not necessarily show that to everyone).
Would you like to set permissions per column? Read-write-modify?
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#237It's been requested for at least 3 years. I totally understand that it takes a while so I'm not blaming them. But it seems like in the meantime people have started to move on (I have). Let's hope this can bring back some momentum for them.
Move on to what and why?
Big issue for me was not being able to sync with GitHub, which made it impractical as a project management tool. The api should solve that now so I’m hopeful.
Not being used as a project management tool, I only used it as a wiki. Then I switched to Roam which solves that use case better for my needs.
Re: Notion API – public beta
#238Glad they learned from their painful mistake and ditched the .so domain in favor of a .com.
Mind elaborating on what went wrong with .so? I can imagine that relying on the network infra of another country is risky.
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#239I love Notion, the tool/product, but I want something exactly like it but open source and where I can store my data where I want it. I guess I should get started...
Go help the folks working on Focalboard!
Mattermost PM here, thanks for suggesting Focalboard!
@rubyist5eva You can learn more about Focalboard - the open-source alternative to Trello, Asana and Notion - at https://focalboard.com/.
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Obsidian is not a replacement for Notion tho, no databases, a lot of custom configuration, no nice templates, etc... I can't take how slow Notion is, and I'm looking for a self-hosted replacement, but Obsidian is just not there yet, except for the note taking part, that I dont care about.
> no databases You can query Markdown files with the (third-party) Dataview plugin. Wrote about it here[0], very simple query syntax. Only tables and lists, but tables is the one I've used by far the most in Notion. > no nice templates Well you can always create your own. There's a first-party templates plugin[1] and a similar third-party one that also allows custom variables and has a showcase[2] (think: you can cur…
except,in Notion, you don't need 3rd party plugins, or "create your own" templates, you already have it out of the box, don't get me wrong tho, I don't love Notion, is very slow. The biggest problem I see with obsidian is, requires a lot of configuration, like you mentioned. I just want something that works.