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FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account, Email Claims

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Re: FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account, Email Claims

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

shockeychap wrote: post #19
laggyluke wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And whatever happened to Apple who refused to work with FBI on the San Bernardino shooter but here is only happy to comply in a much less interesting case? Nothing. It's just a matter of technical means. They had no means of unlocking that phone without potentially compromising all the rest of the phones they've made before that point. But Apple account / emails are "in the cloud", so Apple has full access to it.

Apple has always bragged about iMessage content being end-to-end encrypted, and thus inaccessible even to Apple. Why aren't they doing the same with email and other files, like other providers? (ProtonMail, to name one example)

If you do end to end encryption, you can't persist the mails. So when you logout or clear cache or change browser or email client your past mails will be lost, which drastically reduces the purpose of mail as a long term thing.

Re: FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account, Email Claims

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Post by RankingMember »

dukeofdoom wrote: post #30

They did this to Rudy Guilliani too. FBI was going into his iCloud for over a year. What makes it more egregious was that Guilliani was Trump's lawyer during the impeachment. So the government was both prosecuting him, and spying on his defence's lawyers private emails with his client. If they can do it to a presidents lawyer with no consequences. They can do it to anyone.

Are we sure this actually happened? The only source I'm finding on this is Giuliani himself.

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spankyspangler wrote: post #28
temp8964 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the FBI can use the Russia thing on a presidential candidate, they can use it on anybody.

Not just a presidential candidate, but a president. Did you know that after all those years of investigations, all those years of the house intelligence committee chairman and others insisting that there was "ample evidence" that Trump colluded with Putin to hack the election... in the end, The Mueller report admitted that no evidence was ever found to substantiate Trump or his associates or campaign ever working wit…

But the Mueller team was good at covering their own ass.

At Least 27 Phones from Special Counsel’s Office Were Wiped before DOJ Inspector General Could Review Them https://news.yahoo.com/least-27-phones-special-counsel-21293...

Re: FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account, Email Claims

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Post by mc32 »

temp8964 wrote: post #23
mc32 wrote: post #8

Oh boy, that ever useful boogeyman >“In December 2019, the Washington Post reported that Elbakyan was being investigated by the US Justice Department on suspicion that she “may” be working with Russian intelligence to “steal U.S. military secrets...” When you start trotting that out, you know it’s a witch-hunt because if they had real reasons they’d have stated them, since they don’t they offer vague insinuations cou…

If the FBI can use the Russia thing on a presidential candidate, they can use it on anybody.

The sad thing about this is I understand many people disliked Trump and were pleased by this, but, unfortunately that sword is double edged and all candidates have to dance to their tune, meaning they have to let them go beyond their purview or mission and maintain inertial agendas —which should not be the case. They are supposed to look at interstate crime among some other things.

Re: FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account, Email Claims

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Post by bumbledraven »

shockeychap wrote: post #19
laggyluke wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And whatever happened to Apple who refused to work with FBI on the San Bernardino shooter but here is only happy to comply in a much less interesting case? Nothing. It's just a matter of technical means. They had no means of unlocking that phone without potentially compromising all the rest of the phones they've made before that point. But Apple account / emails are "in the cloud", so Apple has full access to it.

Apple has always bragged about iMessage content being end-to-end encrypted, and thus inaccessible even to Apple. Why aren't they doing the same with email and other files, like other providers? (ProtonMail, to name one example)

modeless wrote here in Feb, 2021 (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25778758) :

> It's also important to realize that the backup includes your encrypted iMessage messages, and the key required to decrypt them. Meaning that if you have backups enabled, all the "end-to-end" encryption in iMessage is defeated. Apple and by extension the FBI can read your messages. This is documented by Apple here: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303

> Even if you disable backups, whenever you correspond with someone that has backups enabled those messages are still accessible to Apple.

Re: FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account, Email Claims

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Post by [deleted] »

spankyspangler wrote: post #28
temp8964 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the FBI can use the Russia thing on a presidential candidate, they can use it on anybody.

Not just a presidential candidate, but a president. Did you know that after all those years of investigations, all those years of the house intelligence committee chairman and others insisting that there was "ample evidence" that Trump colluded with Putin to hack the election... in the end, The Mueller report admitted that no evidence was ever found to substantiate Trump or his associates or campaign ever working wit…

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Re: FBI Has Gained Access to Sci-Hub Founder's Apple Account, Email Claims

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Post by ognarb »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #31
shockeychap wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has always bragged about iMessage content being end-to-end encrypted, and thus inaccessible even to Apple. Why aren't they doing the same with email and other files, like other providers? (ProtonMail, to name one example)

If you do end to end encryption, you can't persist the mails. So when you logout or clear cache or change browser or email client your past mails will be lost, which drastically reduces the purpose of mail as a long term thing.

You can persist end to end encrypted mails on the server just fine. The important thing is that the keys for encrypting/decrypting the mails are not stored on the server too.
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