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Workplace Wellbeing Is a Scam?

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Re: Workplace Wellbeing Is a Scam?

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Post by wirrbel »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #90
joncrane wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Benefits have indeed gotten worse on average in my experience, and here are two hard examples. Leave and healthcare. Leave: It used to be that most companies had a formula for accruing leave, and that vacation and sick were separate buckets and you could accumulate quite a bit. You earn X hours of vacation and Y hours of sick leave per 40 hours worked. This was nice because it was an asset that belonged to the employ…

> 30 days Where can I find a job with 30 days of leave? A lot of places seem to think 15 days is beyond generous because they treat all PTO as vacation time and ignore that sick time used to exist. Meanwhile, my health issues make it extremely difficult to bank any amount of PTO.

fairly standard in Germany. And sick leave unlimited (doctor's note required).

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Post by srfwx »

throwamon wrote: post #51
mtberatwork wrote: post #50

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> Workplace is a family This one is the biggest eye roll for me. Family and friends don't give performance reviews and push other such metrics down your throat.

> Family and friends don't give performance reviews and push other such metrics down your throat Oh, but society sure is hard at work moving towards this. Edit: I'm short of time, but as someone asked me to elaborate, I'll briefly give a few examples: - "Networking" replacing genuine friendships; related things such as "cut out friends who don't let you grow" which may be valid but usually translates to "replace them…

So more like "Family is a workplace" now that the other way around

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Post by RaceWon »

I work for a Huge healthcare corporation; they own 23 hospitals and employ over 60,000 people. Yet lunch breaks are 30 minutes long--an Adult can not eat a healthy meal in 30 minutes, a 6 year probably could though, they require far less food than a grown man.

They also constantly promote walking as a real form of exercise---which is a joke. You have to workout to be healthy: working out, in case you don't know, is painful and it makes you smell bad; but there is No substitute.

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Post by Grustaf »

geofft wrote: post #207
PeterisP wrote: post #202

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I don't understand what the target audience of your suggestion is - it's certainly not something CEOs, managers or employees can do. I mean, there's a strict hierarchy there of who answers to whom and who gets to choose who to work with. If the CEO tells the board "our growth target this year is 2%, our growth max is 10%, if we grow more than that I'm concerned about the pressure on my employees and my goal is to hav…

The target audience of my suggestion is founders who don't yet have board members or CEOs who currently have like-minded board members, and who don't currently have public ownership. You're right, once you've given up ownership to the public, it's a little too late for the current legal entity. But it's not too late to quit your job and start a new workplace.

In other words, founders without investors. They seldom have a lot of employees though.

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Post by eitland »

_huayra_ wrote: post #220
eitland wrote: post #216

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I work for a employee owned software consultancy in Oslo, Norway. It is in deed ideal in many ways or ay least has been while I've worked there. (It doesn't hurt either though that it is the first place I've worked for more than two - three years without spotting an a__hole or two. Take this into account.)

Do you think a worker co-op either/both avoids hiring a-holes in the first place and/or avoids bringing out a-hole tendencies in otherwise normal folks? Being ~8 layers deep in the corporate hierarchy at my current place is very frustrating, and I think it probably affects my current a-hole level just due to apathy...

I think we've been lucky.

Maybe it also helps that everyone has a financial incentive in making sure everyone else performs at their best since that means more bonus and also higher stock prices.

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Post by joncrane »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #90
joncrane wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Benefits have indeed gotten worse on average in my experience, and here are two hard examples. Leave and healthcare. Leave: It used to be that most companies had a formula for accruing leave, and that vacation and sick were separate buckets and you could accumulate quite a bit. You earn X hours of vacation and Y hours of sick leave per 40 hours worked. This was nice because it was an asset that belonged to the employ…

> 30 days Where can I find a job with 30 days of leave? A lot of places seem to think 15 days is beyond generous because they treat all PTO as vacation time and ignore that sick time used to exist. Meanwhile, my health issues make it extremely difficult to bank any amount of PTO.

the 30 includes federal holidays so it works out to about 20 in practice.

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Post by NoblePublius »

chasd00 wrote: post #160
NoblePublius wrote: post #31

The only time your boss will give you a raise is when not giving you the raise would cost more money than the raise.

You could flip it around and say you will get a raise when there's a positive ROI on that raise. However, the point is the same. How could or why would you expect otherwise?

This never happens. Ever.

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Post by ganzuul »

pdimitar wrote: post #206
ganzuul wrote: post #153

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Sure you are liable because you can sell at any time. You voted with your money to approve all that Apple has done. You don't approve a measure of it; that would be absurd. If you missed a shareholder meeting where they discussed doing something terrible, you are liable. As a shareholder you have the ultimate responsibility for the company because no one is there to tell you otherwise. You don't abolish yourself of y…

Not sure where your assumptions about HN are coming from but there's plenty of us around here who don't know the dynamics of being a shareholder simply because we are almost always at the bottom of the food chain. Or do you think HN is an exclusive forum for actual business owners and shareholders?

You have 5k karma and have never noticed moderation here being a little bit trigger happy with the downvotes? Or is there something else you would like me to understand?

I don't think HN is exclusively business owners and shareholders, but I do believe that there is a lot more of it here than in hacker culture in general. I'd like to own a business myself one day, but I'm not sure I can extend myself to the ruthlessness required to survive as one.

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Post by ganzuul »

patrickk wrote: post #178
shoto_io wrote: post #137

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Liability for what? Burn-outs? They are liable. When the company goes bust they lose their money.

If the case of CD Projekt Red with the recent Cyberpunk 2077 game is anything to go by, the shareholders will get large bonuses while the cannon fodder get mandatory crunch time, stress, overwork, are forced to ship out shoddy work etc. Of course the bonuses are due to the companies prior good reputation so it remains to be seen whether or not that continues. But this situation is quite typical in the games industry…

Don't a lot of those employees have options?

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Post by pdimitar »

ganzuul wrote: post #228
pdimitar wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure where your assumptions about HN are coming from but there's plenty of us around here who don't know the dynamics of being a shareholder simply because we are almost always at the bottom of the food chain. Or do you think HN is an exclusive forum for actual business owners and shareholders?

You have 5k karma and have never noticed moderation here being a little bit trigger happy with the downvotes? Or is there something else you would like me to understand? I don't think HN is exclusively business owners and shareholders, but I do believe that there is a lot more of it here than in hacker culture in general. I'd like to own a business myself one day, but I'm not sure I can extend myself to the ruthlessn…

We're in full agreement on the businesses + ruthlessness part. And yep, this place isn't just about hacker culture for a while now, that is true.
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