When the India variant is in more than 50 countries (and counting), and the variant roulette is on full speed in India. We desperately believe that the vaccine is better protection than an N95 mask! Utter nonsense! It's a matter of Biden showing he's doing something positive, but the vaccination is not something he can take credit for anyway. When you mix politics into healthcare, the result is often disastrous!
Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said
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Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said
#482Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the citation I found for this claim: https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/04/06/the-cdc-now-recommend... Overall, science is a process. If research came out that changed the recommendations, well, that's how science works. This is no different in my mind than the gradual change in the recommendations towards cigarette smoking over the decades, only in this case it played out over weeks and months (that article wa…
Do you actually remember this in real time? Do you remember at the beginning when everyone was wondering what to do and they said wear a mask and then they said not wear a mask and everyone around you was like, "What?? What is going on??" And then a short while later they said wear a mask again. These things have real world ramifications. You can't just point to a snopes a year later and retain the context within whi…
This is the key issue at hand, science has made us understand the virus and science has provided working vaccines.
Politics decide when a country/state gets to remove restrictions, this is where the heated arguments begin.
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#483Earlier quoted context omitted.
In Belgium, basically the same thing happened but at the same time they also said covid was just a flu. So, a lot of trust lost. Now I suspect them to do the same with the astrazeneca stock they have to liquidate. Headlines this week said the indian variant is going to be the major one in Belgium.
In Denmark there were news stories about the real name of the AZ vaccine, just about the same time the bloodclot issue appeared. I don't know anyone who uses the name Vaxzevria instead of the Astra Zeneca vaccine or just AZ. The UK is about to open up fully in June but is now worried about the Indian variant (B.1.617). Even though we in Denmark back in january was informed by health authorities that the English varia…
Reading our politician's stance their motto seem to be that they didn't want to cause a panic. I always thought democracy strongly needed transparency to be effective so now I am left with questions and a shift in how I see our governing institutions.
Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said
#484Earlier quoted context omitted.
I personally follow the CDC guidelines. I think if everyone equally trusted CDC we wouldn't have the kind of outbreaks that we have seen in the past year. So raising doubts in CDC's credibility overall is hurtful IMO. That doesn't mean we shouldn't debate a particular recommendation and take it all as Gospel. Meaningful debate about a particular issue is useful. A general statement against credibility of CDC IMO is n…
> I personally follow the CDC guidelines I don't believe you. Do you use a food thermometer when cooking food? Do you make sure to cook eggs until the yoke is firm? If you're a woman, do you make sure you never have more than 1 (alcoholic) drink in a particular day? Do you never eat rare steak? People ignore almost everything the CDC says in their regular lives as the CDC is completely optimizing for health, not qual…
I definitely never eat rare steak. It does not tastes good.
Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said
#485Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the citation I found for this claim: https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/04/06/the-cdc-now-recommend... Overall, science is a process. If research came out that changed the recommendations, well, that's how science works. This is no different in my mind than the gradual change in the recommendations towards cigarette smoking over the decades, only in this case it played out over weeks and months (that article wa…
Do you actually remember this in real time? Do you remember at the beginning when everyone was wondering what to do and they said wear a mask and then they said not wear a mask and everyone around you was like, "What?? What is going on??" And then a short while later they said wear a mask again. These things have real world ramifications. You can't just point to a snopes a year later and retain the context within whi…
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Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said
#486I find it interesting that the people who screamed "trust/listen to the CDC!" the loudest when the CDC's position was "everyone wear your mask and stay home as much as you can" are now the ones looking hardest for reasons to ignore/downplay/criticize the CDC's guidance.
I don't find it "interesting" at all that a particular group of people has decided to err on the side of caution in both cases. It's entirely consistent.
This is how critical thinking works. If an organization advises something you think might be risky, you question it, and maybe don't do the potentially-risky thing until you have more information. But if an organization advises you to do something they claim reduces risk, you go ahead and do it. If information later comes out that this risk-reducing thing wasn't useful, then you stop doing it; you haven't lost anything by trying it.
Regardless, we've all seen what happens in places where restrictions were lifted earlier than they should have been. Being cautious is the right move.
As for myself, I'll be fully protected by the vaccine in about two weeks. I'll likely continue wearing a mask in public in order to help others around me feel more comfortable (because they have no idea if I've been vaccinated or not), but among people I know, I'll take the mask off. Once the vaccination rate is high enough around here, I'll leave it off in public, too, assuming state/local mandates allow it.
Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said
#487I'm curious to how the math works... Basically they are willing to let covid explode among the unvaccinated which presumably won't impact those that can't get vaccinated (i.e. young kids I'm also gonna guess that the people who have gotten vaccinated basically have always worn masks and the unvaccinated never have unless forced. That explains my town.
The US population is around 30% fully vaccinated. Herd immunity requires about 90%* which we're never going to achieve because of vaccine resisters. Therefore COVID-19 is going to be endemic in the US for the rest of our lives. That means we'll see repeated temporal and geographic outbreaks forever, and people who are not vaccinated will continue to die. This is now our world. *90% is based on the high R-value of thi…
Covid will be like the 1895 Russian flu, the coronavirus OC43 that eventually mutated into insignificance
Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said
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Because it's a publicly visible political statement and tribal signaling. What the MAGA hat was for the right, the mask is for the left.
It's crazy how politicised the mask has become in the States. Over here in my parts of Eastern-Europe the government just announced yesterday that starting tomorrow (Saturday) the mask won't be mandatory anymore in almost all outdoor spaces for everyone, a statement which was received with joy and relief by almost everyone, no matter their political orientation.
Yup, as an American I agree with you. I'm also thrilled to see these new CDC guidelines. It's absolutely sickened me that refusal to wear a mask is seen as "patriotic" in some circles.
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The CDC/surgeon general recommended not wearing masks at the beginning of the pandemic, while Silicon Valley was way ahead of the curve (meanwhile hit pieces were posted by journalists with an axe to grind saying they we’re overreacting). So yes it has lost its credibility.
This is the citation I found for this claim: https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/04/06/the-cdc-now-recommend... Overall, science is a process. If research came out that changed the recommendations, well, that's how science works. This is no different in my mind than the gradual change in the recommendations towards cigarette smoking over the decades, only in this case it played out over weeks and months (that article wa…
> If research came out that changed the recommendations, well, that's how science works.
But that's not what happened. There was plenty of studies showing that masks could be effective before the pandemic started[1]. Here are a couple of Hacker news discussions from early March 2020 about studies done years earlier showing that mask use is effective[2][3]. And this article from right before the CDC changed it's recommendation, for good measure[4]: "Do you need a mask? The science hasn't changed, but public guidance might"
I'm not sure why it's so hard for people to consider the possibility that the CDC made a mistake.
[1] https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HLrm0pqBN_5bdyysOeoOBX4p... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22460630 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22498941 [4] https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/do-you-need-mask-...
Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said
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Our Swiss virus guy too told this 'lie' in the beginning, a few months later he explained that this was wrong and the only reason he said masks are not necessary was because there weren't enough and private people were already stockpiling it anyway. So people wore masks and life went on. I still don't understand why sooooo many countries can't be more honest about these things
In Belgium, basically the same thing happened but at the same time they also said covid was just a flu. So, a lot of trust lost. Now I suspect them to do the same with the astrazeneca stock they have to liquidate. Headlines this week said the indian variant is going to be the major one in Belgium.
IIRC that was not exactly how it happened. They said masks are not necessary if you only meet outside and keep your 1.5m distance. Leave the FFP masks for those who really need it. source from February 2020: https://www.nieuwsblad.be/cnt/dmf20200225_04864971