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Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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As much as they need for what? Aside of ransom payments and drugs, you don't need to buy cryptocurrency, ordinary fiat money works just fine as a medium of transfer.

This is a very privileged, first-world perspective on things. You probably have a checking account, and a debit card. If you only have cash, and want to send money to (for example) family in another country, it gets very expensive, very fast. Exchanging cash for cryptocurrency without a bank inbetween is a pain in the ass, but its a hell of a lot cheaper than, for example, Western Union.

>This is a very privileged, first-world perspective on things. You probably have a checking account, and a debit card. If you only have cash, and want to send money to (for example) family in another country, it gets very expensive, very fast.

I live in Mexico, I don't know if we're first world or not. We're kind of in between. We have bank accounts and debit cards here too. In the past when I wanted to send cash to the US or vice versa, I've used Western Union for the convenience - the local corner store (which in Mexico will be Oxxo or 711) has western union. When my family here in MX needs money, I just transfer it to their bank account via my bank's app.

I think many people in the US overestimate how privileged they are compared to most of the rest of the world, to be honest. I lived in the US when I was young but left because life felt easier here in MX.

Sorry for this kind of ambling response, I don't really disagree with anything you said, your perspective just piqued my interest :)

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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SpaceX wins lots of space contracts with the help of Musk's "Occupy Mars" marketing. Tesla sells lots of cars on the promise of self-driving in the marketing. Musk bought BTC, single-handedly pumped the price of BTC, and then sold at a huge profit. I don't think he's a genius but Musk is definitely not stupid. He's just not playing the obvious game you think he's playing.

And denying covid kept workers in his factory, against the law. I think there needs to be some rule in discussion that as soon as you start arguing over if someone is dumb or evil, you have to stop. It's impossible to figure out which (or what mix) it actually is.

> And denying covid kept workers in his factory, against the law

not sure if there even can be a complete list with Musk but, let's also add:

1) privileged background thanks to emerald mining fortune made in apartheid South Africa,

2) union-busting and abusive employer,

3) hoarding $175.6 billion in stolen wages during a pandemic,

4) encouraged a coup

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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> yield farming (ponzi scheming) There are a lot of ponzi scehemes in cryptocurrency markets, but you will have to expand on why you think yield farming is one of them. The typical yield farming scenario is that users provide liquidity to AMM pools in exchange for LP tokens and accumulate trading fees on the pair while they HODL. The LP tokens themselves can often be staked on the DEX in exchange for governance token…

Maybe it isn't a ponzi scheme (I'm no expert) but even after looking up all the acronyms (and maybe especially after looking them up) this sounds like an episode of Schitt's Creek. But let me try to actually understand. You provide liquidity to a pool in exchange for a token and accumulate trading fees, while maintaining ownership of your capital. Ok, first of all this sounds like a bank. But it's decentralized? So w…

Yes, correct. First of all, you'd probably DYOR and ensure that the governance tokens at least have the appearance of being community owned rather than centralised, and secondly you'd probably need to ask yourself what having majority voting power on a governance token really offers. It's like shareholder voting power (which is typically held by a majority or a few majority stakeholders), you probably don't want to vote for something if it's going to throw all your other investors under the bus.

Stepping back from that, you need to understand that initially you're dealing with smart contracts. The governors can't fundamentally change the underlying aspects of the contract.

So let's say, "worst case scenario", the governors could decide to reduce the emissions rate of governance tokens on the staking pools you're interested in. Well, they haven't fundamentally changed the underlying contract, you can still unstake your LP token from the farming contract, withdraw your liquidity from the pool and end up with (some combination of) your original capital + any fees you earned over that time (impermanent loss is a topic for another conversation).

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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What's wrong downvoters, salty that you've been manipulated by the media to vastly overestimate the risk of covid for your age group? https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/18/briefing/atlanta-shooting...

The risk of Covid has never been the individualized risk. It's the collective risk of what happens when hospitals and ICUs reach capacity when too many people catch Covid at once. For example, what is happening in India. This was widely known in the US on the first week of March in 2020. When hospitals reach capacity, people in their 40s and 50s become much more likely to die from Covid. Lots of preventable loss of l…

>For example, what is happening in India.

What is happening in India? The death rate per capita there is still way less than in the US or UK. How come the death rate in Florida is less than that in California and New York, in spite of no lockdowns and an older population in Florida?

There's no statistical evidence that countries with stricter lockdowns had a lower death rate than those without.

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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Wow, people here really hate statistics. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10654-020-00698-1... ; if you're aged under 34 (as are the majority of tech workers), in the USA you're almost ten times more likely to die from "other acccidental fatalities" (0.0032) than covid if you catch it (0.004). Note that to assess risk the covid IFR there should be multiplied by the chance of catching it, to make it more com…

You are making a strong point for further lockdowns. Traffic accidents decrease, other accidental fatalities decreases, the number of people who catch covid decrease in a lockdown.

>Traffic accidents decrease, other accidental fatalities decreases, the number of people who catch covid decrease in a lockdown.

What's the point of being alive if you can't live life? Fine if you choose that for yourself, but you're a monster if you'd dare to assume you have the right to confine everybody else to such a miserable existence.

Marx has a great quote along those lines:

"The human body is mortal by nature. Hence illnesses are inevitable. Why does a man only go to the doctor when he is ill, and not when he is well? Because not only the illness, but even the doctor is an evil. Under constant medical tutelage, life would be regarded as an evil and the human body as an object for treatment by medical institutions. Is not death more desirable than life that is a mere preventive measure against death? Does not life involve also free movement? What is any illness except life that is hampered in its freedom? A perpetual physician would be an illness in which one would not even have the prospect of dying, but only of living. Let life die; death must not live. Has not the spirit more right than the body?"

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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Except Bitcont isn't a security, so there are no laws against "Pump and Dump" in the unregulated market. Some would argue that Bitcoin is fundamentally a giant "Pump and Dump" anyway, so nothing to see here.

Sure, but what you're basically saying is "what Musk did isn't illegal because the thing he did it against isn't considered a security" You may be technically correct, doesn't make it any less sketch or immoral

Pump and dump arguably isn't immoral. It's just using herd mentality, if it wasn't illegal people might actually try to think before they buy and sell.

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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Nobody's forcing them to associate with vulnerable friends or relatives. And it's not like they don't have a choice; tech workers aren't exactly poor.

What do tech workers have to do with a car factory?

Workers at a Tesla factory are high-skilled and highly paid, it's not some third-world sweatshop.

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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And denying covid kept workers in his factory, against the law. I think there needs to be some rule in discussion that as soon as you start arguing over if someone is dumb or evil, you have to stop. It's impossible to figure out which (or what mix) it actually is.

> And denying covid kept workers in his factory, against the law not sure if there even can be a complete list with Musk but, let's also add: 1) privileged background thanks to emerald mining fortune made in apartheid South Africa, 2) union-busting and abusive employer, 3) hoarding $175.6 billion in stolen wages during a pandemic, 4) encouraged a coup

> 3) hoarding $175.6 billion in stolen wages during a pandemic,

I hadn't seen this before. Do you have an article diving into this number?

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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> He's just not playing the obvious game you think he's playing. I think I would agree with that. Take note of that last part of his tweet[0]: > Tesla will not be selling any Bitcoin and we intend to use it for transactions as soon as mining transitions to more sustainable energy. We are also looking at other cryptocurrencies that use Here he posed a problem that is now on people's mind. Soon he will offer a solution…

So you mean starting his own crypto?

He will sell an all in one renewable energy crypto mining pods or similar.

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

#650

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SpaceX wins lots of space contracts with the help of Musk's "Occupy Mars" marketing. Tesla sells lots of cars on the promise of self-driving in the marketing. Musk bought BTC, single-handedly pumped the price of BTC, and then sold at a huge profit. I don't think he's a genius but Musk is definitely not stupid. He's just not playing the obvious game you think he's playing.

Yep, plus one to this. A lot of people are quick to either rationalize his behavior as either awesome or stupid, but I think Musk is really a misunderstood mogul who's intention is to turn a profit, not deliver on his ridiculous worldview.

Can't it be both? You won't get anywhere today with a world view that doesn't integrate financialisation.
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