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Ads are impersonating government websites in Google results, despite ban

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Re: Ads are impersonating government websites in Google results, despite ban

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Even more reason to switch to other search engines such as DuckDuckGo.

Is DuckDuckGo better at this or just a smaller target people ignore? A couple quick searches didn’t turn up anything, but sure seems like they’re vulnerable to the same attack vector.

DuckDuckGo shows me three scams in the ads at the top of the page when I search "employer ID number".

Re: Ads are impersonating government websites in Google results, despite ban

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I hate that there is no easy way to block or report a bad ad on google… don’t like that 30 minute ad in a 5 minutes video? too bad… don’t like that adult content ad on the middle of your daughter video? too bad.. not that you can use a different platform anyway

Re: Ads are impersonating government websites in Google results, despite ban

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I teach everyone in my family to never trust the first few sponsored results now matter how convincing they may be. As far as I’m concerned Google know exactly what they’re doing and are actively complicit in perpetuating online scams against one family and friends. Are we seriously supposed to believe a company of their size, with their talent pool, and their money, can’t filter out such blatantly obvious crap? Sure…

Just so we're clear, there are no "sponsored results" on Google. There are results, and there are ads. It matters because if you lose the distinction you will lose the ability to remember what "sponsored results" were. On Yahoo! search, all of the results were paid. You paid more for a higher position. This dubious service was provided by Overture, and every search engine except Google was a customer of Overture's te…

Absolutely. Google's making ads look like search results [1], but let's bring up an example from the early-to-mid 2000s [2] because that's extra relevant here when today's relevant search engines put ads confusingly at the top of your search results. The ad isn't a "sponsored result" but it's fair to say the results are sponsored (and confusingly so).

1. https://techcrunch.com/2020/01/23/squint-and-youll-click-it/

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_Media_Native

Re: Ads are impersonating government websites in Google results, despite ban

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> Muldoon didn’t respond to a question about why the ads were able to violate Google’s policy. I thought it was obvious by now that Google is a money train, and no one is watching the tracks. Their main distinctions as a Fortune 500 company are avoiding human contact and abandoning projects.

Maybe Muldoon just has a policy against returning the calls of a full-time anti-Google mouthpiece that is literally funded by DuckDuckGo. It really bugs me how HN acts so skeptically about most topics but falls hook, line, and sinker for every astroturf campaign that comes along.

Re: Ads are impersonating government websites in Google results, despite ban

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Even more reason to switch to other search engines such as DuckDuckGo.

Is DuckDuckGo better at this or just a smaller target people ignore? A couple quick searches didn’t turn up anything, but sure seems like they’re vulnerable to the same attack vector.

I know there's a small section of people who will defend big tech under any and all circumstances but really?

"I'm unsure if the competition have solved this problem that I tried and verified they don't have." Just seems like a pretty terrible defense of a big tech company that definitely hasn't solved that problem that they absolutely do have and know it will defraud people.

Remember the old days when google had their ads clearly and obviously marked, off to the side of your search results so as to minimize the potential for confusing ads with results? Yeah they decided there was more money in shaking down people to claim top spot when people specifically search for them. You search for coke, the top result is pepsi if they pay google. Pay google so people get what they search for. Make it more likely to click on the paid ad than the search result for the exact same thing. People getting ripped off is collateral damage, not worth sacrificing shakedown proceeds to avoid actively helping fraud. It stinks to high heaven and Google employees know this.

"We haven't fixed their grift. That fixing it might impact ours is totally unrelated." --Google

Re: Ads are impersonating government websites in Google results, despite ban

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just so we're clear, there are no "sponsored results" on Google. There are results, and there are ads. It matters because if you lose the distinction you will lose the ability to remember what "sponsored results" were. On Yahoo! search, all of the results were paid. You paid more for a higher position. This dubious service was provided by Overture, and every search engine except Google was a customer of Overture's te…

Absolutely. Google's making ads look like search results [1], but let's bring up an example from the early-to-mid 2000s [2] because that's extra relevant here when today's relevant search engines put ads confusingly at the top of your search results. The ad isn't a "sponsored result" but it's fair to say the results are sponsored (and confusingly so). 1. https://techcrunch.com/2020/01/23/squint-and-youll-click-it/ 2.…

Regarding #1, did you ever notice how the "dark pattern" that article was about got reverted shortly after that, except not on DuckDuckGo which still contains that "dark pattern"?

Re: Ads are impersonating government websites in Google results, despite ban

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Even more reason to switch to other search engines such as DuckDuckGo.

duckduckgo's ads are not exactly a beacon of quality either, so I wouldn't trust them necessarily to not let something like this through. Install adblockers for everyone you know.

Re: Ads are impersonating government websites in Google results, despite ban

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Having used some kind of adblocking, on all devices, for as long as I can remember, I realize I live in an alternate universe where all these scams don't exist [0].

If at some point adblocking is defeated I'm up for a very difficult crash landing into reality.

[0]: almost; top results can be scams of course; but it's rare.

Re: Ads are impersonating government websites in Google results, despite ban

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is DuckDuckGo better at this or just a smaller target people ignore? A couple quick searches didn’t turn up anything, but sure seems like they’re vulnerable to the same attack vector.

DuckDuckGo shows me three scams in the ads at the top of the page when I search "employer ID number".

I got an ad for ebay. followed by 3 results. The ad should be more clearly marked but I don't see any scams here.

[1] https://www.thebalancesmb.com/how-to-find-your-ein-4768994

[2] https://www.investopedia.com/terms/e/employer-identification...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employer_Identification_Number

Re: Ads are impersonating government websites in Google results, despite ban

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And at the same time that Google supposedly can’t catch these guys, they randomly suspend my ads account without even an explanation. And of course no recourse or way of getting in touch with a human.

Maybe you're not spending enough money. I'm sure Google's AI suspension bot doesn't go around suspending their top spenders (account wise), even if it has high confidence there's a breach.
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