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Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by covidthrow »

onionisafruit wrote: post #2

There is a non-paywalled story here. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fully-vaccinated-americans-r... Neither the NYT nor ABC stories have links to the actual guidance, and I don't see anything about this on cdc.gov. I guess this was embargoed and the story was released before cdc got around to publishing the guidance. Update: Guidance is now at https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vac...

Thank you for noticing this.

This is a media blitz, and one may wonder why there are prepared, published stories about CDC guidance that hadn't yet even been published.

I'm sure there are many rational reasons for this. One, indeed, is particularly salient.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

josephcsible wrote: post #206
conk wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

6 months ago there wasn’t a vaccine.

That's GP's point. 6 months ago it made sense for everyone to wear masks. Today it doesn't. If someone today insists that everyone should still wear masks everywhere, then they're doing so for political reasons rather than scientific ones.

It's okay to do harmless things for political reasons, and bad to do harmful things for political reasons.

It's ridiculous to try to turn that into a claim of hypocrisy and that everything is just politics.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by wikibob »

BurritoAlPastor wrote: post #38
jasonlaramburu wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are literally zero downsides to wearing a mask in public, and it's crazy that anyone would shame someone for it. In many Asian countries it is considered civilized and thoughtful to wear a mask when feeling ill to prevent the spread of disease. I too hope this becomes the norm in the US.

“Literally zero downsides” is a bit of an exaggeration, don’t you think? Surely you’ll concede that they make your glasses fog up.

If your glasses fog up from wearing a mask, your mask is ineffective.

Get a better mask that actually seals around your face.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by oceanplexian »

dgfitz wrote: post #124
thepasswordis wrote: post #71

How is this not the top story on every single news aggregator in the world right now? This is like the BEST news since the vaccines were approved. This is a HUGE deal. Great job, CDC!

Because masks haven been politicized. Good news be damned.

I hear this statement a lot and don't get it. Of course masks are politicized. Everything in modern day society is political in some way or another, since everything can be interpreted to suit some political ideology or another.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by neither_color »

berkeley101101 wrote: post #230
generj wrote: post #3

It’s good to give better incentives for people to be vaccinated, as many have urged for some time. I worry this carrot isn’t tied to an adequate stick - the unvaccinated can simply go without a mask regardless of their status. Will this move actually counter our slowing vaccination rates?

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What do they deserve?

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by twaybtclong »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #187
interviewer0000 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's (not) worth, it prompted me to sign up today. :)

Kind of curious why you waited so long? Most people I know who are refusing are Trump followers and simply believe it's all a hoax. Literally all of it.

For me: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-c...

When this changes or it's been a year I'll consider it.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by josephcsible »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #232
josephcsible wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's GP's point. 6 months ago it made sense for everyone to wear masks. Today it doesn't. If someone today insists that everyone should still wear masks everywhere, then they're doing so for political reasons rather than scientific ones.

It's okay to do harmless things for political reasons, and bad to do harmful things for political reasons. It's ridiculous to try to turn that into a claim of hypocrisy and that everything is just politics.

Continuing to wear a mask yourself is harmless, but trying to make everyone else continue wearing masks is harmful.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by lamontcg »

josephcsible wrote: post #185
lamontcg wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The risk and severity of bad effects from COVID exceed the risks and severity of the bad effects from the vaccine across all age categories. It is a low-risk, higher-reward proposition for everyone. And even if all the virus does is fry your sense of smell you're better off with a few days of influenza-like symptoms from the vaccines.

You can't just weigh "The risk and severity of bad effects from COVID" with "the risks and severity of the bad effects from the vaccine". You also need to factor in that the probability of an unvaccinated person getting COVID isn't 100%.

The likelihood of the virus becoming endemic is very high which pushes the probability much closer to 100% for everyone.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by covidthrow »

ComputerGuru wrote: post #220

How cynical is it to question whether or not this was timed at least in part to bolster economic outlook in the face of the market shrinkage this week over inflation fears? (Experts have been asking for more explicit guidance from the CDC for months now.) Edit: for reference, up until this point, the CDC has not even been willing to concede the safety of outdoor activities: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/11/briefing…

I can't judge your cynicism, but I can say it's quite suspect that media outlets—apparently—behaved as the mouthpiece of the state:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27145446

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by thrwhizzle »

For some people the goalposts are moving faster than the speed of light.

The goal was to flatten the curve. Remember that? Flatten. The. Curve.

Is the curve not flat? How much flatter do you want it to be before returning to normal life? Do you want literally 0.000% risk?

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