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Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by niij »

ineedasername wrote: post #91

I don't really understand how places looking to align their precautions with CDC guidelines can do this. We don't have any required vaccination "passport", so if a movie theatre says vaccinated customers don't have to wear masks, how can they possibly tell who is vaccinated without relying on a dubious honor system?

Being vaccinated doesn't stop an individual from spreading it. It just prevents them from being severely affected.

Vaccinations have been open to 18+ for long enough now. If you're not vaccinated at this point then you either can't be (and should be wearing a mask) or aren't concerned about COVID anyway. Considering that, what is the purpose of a vaccine passport? Who does it help?

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by zuminator »

daenz wrote: post #143
cochne wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CDC is not recommending that all establishments allow people without masks though, it is only saying that if everyone is vaccinated then it is safe. If there is no way to guarantee that all are vaccinated, then this does not translate into a recommendation to drop a mask requirement. Consider a parallel. the CDC might say if an HIV+ person is taking some treatment, it is safe to have sexual relations with them. B…

>it is only saying that if everyone is vaccinated then it is safe. Right, but like the previous poster said, we have no way of verifying. Maybe people do, but I don't think everyone carries their vaccination card with them, so how are establishments going to verify? They'll probably ask, and accept the answer. And as people are starting to point out, the unvaccinated will just lie. My point is that the CDC must have…

Instead of businesses having to verify, it would make more sense for the county or municipality to establish a policy based upon the prevailing positivity rate. If there's a low level of infection in the community, indoor masks are at the wearer's discretion, if there's a high level, indoor masks are mandatory. This would also establish a causal link between a getting vaccinated and helping to keep the community open.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by stjohnswarts »

jasonlaramburu wrote: post #31
noodlesUK wrote: post #6

I’ve been in the US throughout this pandemic, and I’ve had to take it extremely seriously because of vulnerable people I live with. I’m glad to be vaccinated and for my life (and my family’s) to be returning to normal. I expect that I’ll continue wearing a mask from time to time even years from now if it becomes socially acceptable, because I like both the anonymity, and the wonders it does for my seasonal allergies.…

There are literally zero downsides to wearing a mask in public, and it's crazy that anyone would shame someone for it. In many Asian countries it is considered civilized and thoughtful to wear a mask when feeling ill to prevent the spread of disease. I too hope this becomes the norm in the US.

You can't say zero because there is the low but still there possibility someone will fight you over and even end up shooting you because of the impending fight. It has happened. Again it's rare but it has happened, and I would say that the risk of an argument and physical altercation over it with Trumpian qultists will increase over time.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by stjohnswarts »

machello13 wrote: post #41
abduhl wrote: post #40

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You don't think that the continual dehumanization of people into creatures with eyes, hair, and without emotions is a downside to wearing a mask in public? A smile as you hold the elevator door for someone goes unseen; all the other person gets is a withering stare from behind a sterile surgeon's mask. A joke that's good enough to make someone grin but not laugh is now a joke that falls flat on its face. An inappropr…

You can easily tell whether someone is smiling or not underneath a mask, and I think most people have learned to "smile with their eyes" to make it even more obvious. It's not that big a deal.

Exactly the eye areas of regular humans (non-sociopaths) are very "vocal" as to emotions if you are paying attention.

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Post by shepherdjerred »

gnicholas wrote: post #104
BurritoAlPastor wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Literally zero downsides” is a bit of an exaggeration, don’t you think? Surely you’ll concede that they make your glasses fog up.

And prevent me from unlocking my iPhone!

Really hoping they bring back the fingerprint sensor now. I feel like a monster when I have to lower my mask to unlock my password manager.

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Post by josephcsible »

conk wrote: post #51
anthonygd wrote: post #35

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The problem you're describing is real and something that needs to be resolved. I'm assuming six months ago you would have told someone to wear a mask because that's what science says. Now you're ignoring the science to make a statement. Was it lip-service and posturing 6 months ago or is it now? Do you value science or not? You're telling the anti-mask/anti-vax people that yes it really was just bullshit and it was n…

6 months ago there wasn’t a vaccine.

That's GP's point. 6 months ago it made sense for everyone to wear masks. Today it doesn't. If someone today insists that everyone should still wear masks everywhere, then they're doing so for political reasons rather than scientific ones.

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Post by aaronbrethorst »

kibwen wrote: post #56
generj wrote: post #3

It’s good to give better incentives for people to be vaccinated, as many have urged for some time. I worry this carrot isn’t tied to an adequate stick - the unvaccinated can simply go without a mask regardless of their status. Will this move actually counter our slowing vaccination rates?

Ohio is holding five million-dollar lottery drawings for which only vaccinated people are eligible, and I expect other states to follow suit: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/0...

West Virginia is offering up cash, too, as are some cities. Seems to work.

https://www.wiscnews.com/news/national/a-million-dollars-in-...

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Post by galangalalgol »

baby wrote: post #175
generj wrote: post #3

It’s good to give better incentives for people to be vaccinated, as many have urged for some time. I worry this carrot isn’t tied to an adequate stick - the unvaccinated can simply go without a mask regardless of their status. Will this move actually counter our slowing vaccination rates?

I traveled a bit during this pandemic and in Arizona it’s like the virus didn’t exist. Nobody was wearing a mask, nobody. Even indoor. Even the waiters. I’m back in SF now and everybody is wearing the mask. Everybody. The adults, the children, Even the vaccinated people. Yesterday the waiter asked me if we could put back our mask so she could hand us our plate. Country of extremes. I feel like there’s no going back t…

In TX people often, say ~25%, ignored mask mandates inside stores. When the mandate lifted it went to more like ~10%. I get it, I'm a contrarían, but it was surprising that once it wasn't required to be thoughtful, people were.

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Post by zuminator »

omosubi wrote: post #179
robbrown451 wrote: post #123

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Sure. And living the healthiest life can include getting vaccinated and wearing a mask. Are you suggesting we just eat good foods and exercise, and that alone will protect us from dying from COVID? I can see an argument that lockdown has had consequences. Mask wearing too, but to a lessor degree. But the vaccine? I'm not seeing serious consequences other than the cost to get it out there. Seems like a win-win, once i…

Long term effects of an unproven technology? Who knows what this will do to your body in 10 or 20 years?

While you're not wrong, who knows what actually catching Covid will do to your body in 10 or 20 years? At least there we actually have evidence that it could in some cases cause long term deleterious effects.

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Post by cgriswald »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #187
interviewer0000 wrote: post #110

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For what it's (not) worth, it prompted me to sign up today. :)

Kind of curious why you waited so long? Most people I know who are refusing are Trump followers and simply believe it's all a hoax. Literally all of it.

I waited a couple weeks after it was open to everyone here. I waited because the only available vaccines were multiple hours away. I wasn’t going to make that trip twice (and potentially find out they screwed up their count or ruined doses or something) when I could wait a couple weeks and get one in my own town. Doubly so since I have less contact with strangers than most.
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