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Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by QuarterReptile »

bryant wrote: post #135
interviewer0000 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's (not) worth, it prompted me to sign up today. :)

> For what it's (not) worth, it prompted me to sign up today. :) More for my understanding than anything else, and with every guarantee that I won't present any follow-up questions or statements, but why was this the tipping point and not the actual disease risk mitigation resulting from the vaccine?

Not me, but a coworker of mine is the only guy in my office who hasn't been vaccinated (rest of us got second dose at end of January) because of adverse reactions to past (milder) vaccinations. He correctly assesses that he's in a very low risk environment, but at some point he'll probably risk the vaccine to not have pariah status.

But for the last 3 months, there was nothing to make the tradeoff worthwhile to him.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by toast0 »

onionisafruit wrote: post #45
jasonlaramburu wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haha fair but they do have masks with a little bit of foam on the nosepiece for this purpose.

I can't believe I got through (hopefully) most of the covid pandemic fogging up my glasses without knowing this simple solution exists.

There's also defogger you can apply that kind of works (I got it at a hockey store, marketted for the clear face masks some people wear instead of metal cages). An adjusted mask probably works better, but the defogger is better than without in situations where I know my glasses will fog up and I have to have a mask.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by brundolf »

listless wrote: post #108
generj wrote: post #3

It’s good to give better incentives for people to be vaccinated, as many have urged for some time. I worry this carrot isn’t tied to an adequate stick - the unvaccinated can simply go without a mask regardless of their status. Will this move actually counter our slowing vaccination rates?

Yes, but the important thing is that the vaccine is available. They chose not to take it. The argument that we need to keep each other safe no longer holds.

Keep in mind there are some who genuinely can't get it, for one medical reason or another. We still need to keep them safe.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by walleeee »

dreadlordbone wrote: post #97
claytongulick wrote: post #55

According to a large, controlled study in Wuhan [1], asymptomatic spreading is exceedingly rare. Zero cases in the study were identified. https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4695

While I believe it - kinda hard to trust anything out of Wuhan at the moment.

Kinda hard to trust anything out of Washington at the moment too, considering neither nation's government appears to have publicly audited gain of function research programs or reconsidered their utility and potential risks/benefits in the first place

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by samatman »

sacomo wrote: post #22
weezin wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what is an appropriate amount of cases to go back to normal?

Personally I will keep wearing a mask around other people until we eradicate it or find a 100% preventive vaccine. So decades for me.

Hypochondria is a mental illness.

It's ok to get help.

I'm not mocking you. It's been a traumatic year for all of us.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by vmception »

generj wrote: post #3

It’s good to give better incentives for people to be vaccinated, as many have urged for some time. I worry this carrot isn’t tied to an adequate stick - the unvaccinated can simply go without a mask regardless of their status. Will this move actually counter our slowing vaccination rates?

It’s mostly just accepting reality and gives states an alibi out of their partisan pandemic response

Like, on one end you have states waiting for an impossibly high threshold of vaccination before masks go away or nightclubs open up with dance floors. And now they can say “oh ok that was old guidance, we’re good now”

On the other hand it also caters to the states that ignored old guidance “ah! Sanity has prevailed! Now can these few businesses that demand masks stop fighting us on this?”

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by sjg007 »

2trill2spill wrote: post #130
sjg007 wrote: post #60

I'm curious to how the math works... Basically they are willing to let covid explode among the unvaccinated which presumably won't impact those that can't get vaccinated (i.e. young kids I'm also gonna guess that the people who have gotten vaccinated basically have always worn masks and the unvaccinated never have unless forced. That explains my town.

12 - 15 years olds can now get the Pfizer vaccine in the United States[1]. That should help a lot. [1]: https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/05/fda-authorizes-pfize...

Not really, < 12 is a big concern.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by ninju »

O5vYtytb wrote: post #133
generj wrote: post #3

It’s good to give better incentives for people to be vaccinated, as many have urged for some time. I worry this carrot isn’t tied to an adequate stick - the unvaccinated can simply go without a mask regardless of their status. Will this move actually counter our slowing vaccination rates?

Do you think that the CDC gives guidance based on incentives instead of best health interest? Personally they lost my trust when they told us to not wear masks for some time early in the pandemic.

I believe that guidance was based upon a prioritization necessity to make sure that medical first responders had access to PPE. Once the supply of PPE was great enough the guidance was also changed

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Post by ninju »

sjg007 wrote: post #50
908B64B197 wrote: post #20

On the west coast now more than one third of the population is fully vaccinated (excluding BC that is severely lagging behind). How long until coastal and urban counties reach 95%?

They won't ever reach 95%; not gonna happen.

Hmm...why not?

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by vmception »

brundolf wrote: post #163
listless wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but the important thing is that the vaccine is available. They chose not to take it. The argument that we need to keep each other safe no longer holds.

Keep in mind there are some who genuinely can't get it, for one medical reason or another. We still need to keep them safe.

Keep in mind that that’s not gonna happen.

Unless the President said that, your message is not going to get across.

848 Americans died today marked as a Covid contributed death. There were lockdowns across 90% of the country a year ago when less people were dying from this. So we’re just past that, sorry. Good luck to them.

The goal was just to keep ICU capacity available for the normal distribution of emergencies in society. We’ve done that.

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