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Who sowed the seed of doubt in me.. that vaccinated folks can still transfer the disease?
I would assume vaccinated people that are sick enough to be having symptoms are probably also infectious.
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This right here is the argument, and has been since February 2020. We got a little lost along the way, but our original social measures to reduce the spread of COVID was due to our inability to protect those who couldn't protect themselves. Now that we have the vaccines, we have no moral reason to now baby the people who refuse to protect themselves.
Children can't get vaccinated yet, though, and I do still want to protect them. It's why my wife and I, though fully vaccinated, haven't totally returned to normal, since our toddler and infant are still susceptible.
Which isn't zero, colds and flu kill a few children a year.
I support you in keeping your children healthy, not trying to second guess you as a parent. But "think of the children" is not a good basis for policy here.
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This right here is the argument, and has been since February 2020. We got a little lost along the way, but our original social measures to reduce the spread of COVID was due to our inability to protect those who couldn't protect themselves. Now that we have the vaccines, we have no moral reason to now baby the people who refuse to protect themselves.
Children can't get vaccinated yet, though, and I do still want to protect them. It's why my wife and I, though fully vaccinated, haven't totally returned to normal, since our toddler and infant are still susceptible.
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This right here is the argument, and has been since February 2020. We got a little lost along the way, but our original social measures to reduce the spread of COVID was due to our inability to protect those who couldn't protect themselves. Now that we have the vaccines, we have no moral reason to now baby the people who refuse to protect themselves.
Children can't get vaccinated yet, though, and I do still want to protect them. It's why my wife and I, though fully vaccinated, haven't totally returned to normal, since our toddler and infant are still susceptible.
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I think this is the part where we have to just "let people be adults". We're at the point now where those who are at risk for COVID complications should have access to a vaccine which will greatly reduce that risk. For the rest of the population, it's on you if you want to go to a crowded movie theater without a vaccination. "If he dies, he dies"
Except it's not really "on you". If you're sick, masks protect other people from you getting them sick too. So if an irresponsible unvaccinated anti-masker goes to the theatre and there's an unvaccinated but responsibly mask-wearing person, the unmasked person can get them sick. The responsible person pays the price.
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That assumes that the vaccine is 100% effective, and that everyone who is at risk can safely take the vaccine. Neither of those are true.
Neither of them need to be true for a critical mass of vaccinated people to demand for restrictions to be rescinded. Eventually politicians will realize they need to get re-elected and cave to pressure. It will happen, especially with this new guidance from the CDC. I would bet there are no state wide mask mandates by Jan 1, 2022. Edit: Minnesota will be ending their mask mandate tomorrow.
Most brick and mortar was barely viable during the best market in history so all we gotta do is wait! And also not go to them lol have fun with that gofundme
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Yes, but the important thing is that the vaccine is available. They chose not to take it. The argument that we need to keep each other safe no longer holds.
As long as we still bend the curve to not overwhelm the hospital system. Even vaccinated, I may need an ICU bed from a car accident or a heart attack. I wish there was data on fully vaccinated people being able to spread infection to others, but that won't be available for a long time.
There is such data. That data is what led the CDC to make this change.
According to a large, controlled study in Wuhan [1], asymptomatic spreading is exceedingly rare. Zero cases in the study were identified. https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4695
The article makes it quite clear that this finding cannot be extrapolated to countries where the virus has not been brought under control. Furthermore it says "there is plenty of evidence elsewhere showing that people infected with covid-19 may be temporarily asymptomatic and infectious, before going on to develop symptoms."
Who sowed the seed of doubt in me.. that vaccinated folks can still transfer the disease?
Perhaps the Yankees, with 8 vaccinated team members positive with COVID. One of them had even been sick with it before. However it's worth pointing out that they did not get the more effective mRNA versions.
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Probably not that dissimilar to people getting pregnant when on birth control.
No, a lot less likely than that. Birth control efficacy is around 91% in typical use per year for the mini-pill. The mRNA vaccines seem to perform better than that AND don't have the issue of perfect use
The various vaccines have a spread of efficacy as well. It's a valid analogy.