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Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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They can , but it is very unlikely.

Probably not that dissimilar to people getting pregnant when on birth control.

No, a lot less likely than that. Birth control efficacy is around 91% in typical use per year for the mini-pill. The mRNA vaccines seem to perform better than that AND don't have the issue of perfect use

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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They won't ever reach 95%; not gonna happen.

Berkeley 94707 zip code was already at 98% of eligible population with at least one shot on April 30th. [1] I would guess a number of cities will be overall in the 90% range pretty soon. [1] https://abc7news.com/california-vaccination-rate-sf-vaccine-...

Zooming in, their map reports that vaccination rates in 94707 are now over 100% -- it's the gray region north of UC Berkeley. Perhaps folks are commuting in to 94707 to receive doses?

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Who sowed the seed of doubt in me.. that vaccinated folks can still transfer the disease?

Perhaps the Yankees, with 8 vaccinated team members positive with COVID. One of them had even been sick with it before. However it's worth pointing out that they did not get the more effective mRNA versions.

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There are literally zero downsides to wearing a mask in public, and it's crazy that anyone would shame someone for it. In many Asian countries it is considered civilized and thoughtful to wear a mask when feeling ill to prevent the spread of disease. I too hope this becomes the norm in the US.

“Literally zero downsides” is a bit of an exaggeration, don’t you think? Surely you’ll concede that they make your glasses fog up.

And prevent me from unlocking my iPhone!

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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I don't really understand how places looking to align their precautions with CDC guidelines can do this. We don't have any required vaccination "passport", so if a movie theatre says vaccinated customers don't have to wear masks, how can they possibly tell who is vaccinated without relying on a dubious honor system?

Here's one way: The rules in NY already allow venues like baseball stadiums to ask for proof of full vaccination (i.e. 2 weeks after the second Pfizer/Moderna dose or 2 weeks after J&J) in exchange for giving those customers access to a seating section where the state's physical/social distancing and capacity limit rules are waived. There are other examples where the rules allow vaccination status to be checked in exchange for more permissive state rules. (And there's nothing in state law preventing businesses from requiring vaccination if they want to.)

For Yankee Stadium, as one example, here are their proof requirements: "(a) a CDC-approved COVID-19 Vaccination Record Card; (b) Excelsior Pass; (c) a government-issued photograph identification and proof of vaccination form; or (d) electronically stored versions of any of the foregoing."

[edit: This new system applies to Yankees games starting May 21 and later. Not sure about other venues.]

Details: https://www.mlb.com/yankees/ballpark/information/fully-vacci...

Excelsior Pass is the state's own vaccination passport app/website, which indeed isn't mandatory but which is available to anyone who gets their vaccine series in NY.

Yes, I agree this is not as practical for a small business of whatever kind.

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No. This American fascination with “health” is very odd. My grandparents in Bangladesh lived as long as the average life expectancy in the US today, and they’re not even remarkable. Once you have antibiotics and make it past child mortality, you’re very close to hitting diminishing returns.

and make it past child mortality That's the hard part in less developed countries. In 1960 Bangladesh had a child mortality rate of almost 30%. At that time the US was under 3%. Even today with antibiotics etc., Bangladesh is about 5x higher than the US. I'm honestly not sure what you mean by America's fascination with health: I'm an American, so it of course would seem normal to me. But whatever we're doing, Banglad…

> I'm honestly not sure what you mean by America's fascination with health

Might be referring to the tendency (of some) to track biomarkers in meticulous detail, pay not-insignificant sums for personalized "health plans", stress about exact quantities consumed of various substances, etc

This is not every American of course, only a relatively privileged minority, but I'm not surprised it seems a strange way of living to some, indeed it does to me (also an American)

Maybe it's a form of compensation: i.e., if one feels powerless regarding health-incident factors affecting the public at large (like plastic and chemical contamination in water supplies and household products, herbicides/pesticides and seed oils and antibiotics and excess fat/sodium/sugar/etc in food) one might micromanage personal health decisions to regain a sense of control

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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I don't really understand how places looking to align their precautions with CDC guidelines can do this. We don't have any required vaccination "passport", so if a movie theatre says vaccinated customers don't have to wear masks, how can they possibly tell who is vaccinated without relying on a dubious honor system?

They won’t, they’ll simply rescind the mask mandates and let the vaccine skeptics fend for themselves. Minnesota will be doing this within 6 weeks, I’m sure it’ll be more states soon, if not already.

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It’s good to give better incentives for people to be vaccinated, as many have urged for some time. I worry this carrot isn’t tied to an adequate stick - the unvaccinated can simply go without a mask regardless of their status. Will this move actually counter our slowing vaccination rates?

Yes, but the important thing is that the vaccine is available. They chose not to take it. The argument that we need to keep each other safe no longer holds.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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America has an enormous obesity problem which contributes to a significant number of Covid fatalities. When we tell Americans to get healthy it's mostly targeted towards those people.

I agree with you entirely that there's an obesity problem. When it comes to covid deaths, though, the CDC report this week says that the vast majority--about 46%--are coinfections with flu. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm https://i.ibb.co/zscjxb6/Screenshot-2021-05-13-23-04-11.png

Not flu alone, but flu or pneumonia.

What's the significance of this?

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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It’s good to give better incentives for people to be vaccinated, as many have urged for some time. I worry this carrot isn’t tied to an adequate stick - the unvaccinated can simply go without a mask regardless of their status. Will this move actually counter our slowing vaccination rates?

For what it's (not) worth, it prompted me to sign up today. :)
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