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Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by conk »

anthonygd wrote: post #35
noodlesUK wrote: post #6

I’ve been in the US throughout this pandemic, and I’ve had to take it extremely seriously because of vulnerable people I live with. I’m glad to be vaccinated and for my life (and my family’s) to be returning to normal. I expect that I’ll continue wearing a mask from time to time even years from now if it becomes socially acceptable, because I like both the anonymity, and the wonders it does for my seasonal allergies.…

The problem you're describing is real and something that needs to be resolved. I'm assuming six months ago you would have told someone to wear a mask because that's what science says. Now you're ignoring the science to make a statement. Was it lip-service and posturing 6 months ago or is it now? Do you value science or not? You're telling the anti-mask/anti-vax people that yes it really was just bullshit and it was n…

6 months ago there wasn’t a vaccine.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by brighton36 »

noodlesUK wrote: post #39
anthonygd wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem you're describing is real and something that needs to be resolved. I'm assuming six months ago you would have told someone to wear a mask because that's what science says. Now you're ignoring the science to make a statement. Was it lip-service and posturing 6 months ago or is it now? Do you value science or not? You're telling the anti-mask/anti-vax people that yes it really was just bullshit and it was n…

You’re absolutely right. Six months ago I would have said something like that (and indeed many months before even when the CDC was spewing the bullshit that started all this anti mask stuff). I probably wouldn’t have hassled someone I didn’t know, just avoided them altogether. However, the difference is, by wearing a mask where it might not strictly be necessary, I am choosing to inconvenience myself in a way that do…

It's a trolley problem. Someone gets hurt if you put the mask on, someone gets hurt if you don't put the mask on. You're assuming that there is an objectively good decision here.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by jwilber »

abduhl wrote: post #40
jasonlaramburu wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are literally zero downsides to wearing a mask in public, and it's crazy that anyone would shame someone for it. In many Asian countries it is considered civilized and thoughtful to wear a mask when feeling ill to prevent the spread of disease. I too hope this becomes the norm in the US.

You don't think that the continual dehumanization of people into creatures with eyes, hair, and without emotions is a downside to wearing a mask in public? A smile as you hold the elevator door for someone goes unseen; all the other person gets is a withering stare from behind a sterile surgeon's mask. A joke that's good enough to make someone grin but not laugh is now a joke that falls flat on its face. An inappropr…

Surely this is satire.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by arilotter »

brighton36 wrote: post #52
noodlesUK wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re absolutely right. Six months ago I would have said something like that (and indeed many months before even when the CDC was spewing the bullshit that started all this anti mask stuff). I probably wouldn’t have hassled someone I didn’t know, just avoided them altogether. However, the difference is, by wearing a mask where it might not strictly be necessary, I am choosing to inconvenience myself in a way that do…

It's a trolley problem. Someone gets hurt if you put the mask on, someone gets hurt if you don't put the mask on. You're assuming that there is an objectively good decision here.

nobody gets hurt if you put the mask on.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by kibwen »

generj wrote: post #3

It’s good to give better incentives for people to be vaccinated, as many have urged for some time. I worry this carrot isn’t tied to an adequate stick - the unvaccinated can simply go without a mask regardless of their status. Will this move actually counter our slowing vaccination rates?

Ohio is holding five million-dollar lottery drawings for which only vaccinated people are eligible, and I expect other states to follow suit: https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/0...

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by dragonwriter »

generj wrote: post #3

It’s good to give better incentives for people to be vaccinated, as many have urged for some time. I worry this carrot isn’t tied to an adequate stick - the unvaccinated can simply go without a mask regardless of their status. Will this move actually counter our slowing vaccination rates?

This isn’t a carrot, its public health guidance based in risks and infection rates (including the induced risk of noncompliance by the unvaccinated triggered by loosening rules for the vaccinated.)

> Will this move actually counter our slowing vaccination rates?

Yes, loosening controls does that. It also reduces the harms imposed by the controls. Vaccination and infection affect the cost/benefit analysis between those effects.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by sjg007 »

I'm curious to how the math works... Basically they are willing to let covid explode among the unvaccinated which presumably won't impact those that can't get vaccinated (i.e. young kids I'm also gonna guess that the people who have gotten vaccinated basically have always worn masks and the unvaccinated never have unless forced. That explains my town.
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