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Re: Notion API – public beta

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m-p-3 wrote: post #157
ezekg wrote: post #144

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Do they still not support things like 2FA? At my previous company, we couldn't get buy-in from our security team due to them not supporting 2FA. The team loved Notion, but that was a deal breaker. Also, if I remember correctly, magic email links could not be disabled. There is no excuse for not implementing 2FA w/ an authenticator app -- it took me a couple days to implement it into my product. They've had people ask…

Maybe your security team could implement an authentication server with 2FA to cover those softwares that don't support it natively? For example, https://www.authelia.com/ is open-source.

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Post by ptd »

smoldesu wrote: post #152
cristinacordova wrote: post #84

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(Cristina from Notion here) We shared a bit more in the past about how most of our user content was stored in a single database instance (see more here: https://www.notion.so/notion/Focus-on-performance-reliabilit... ). That is no longer true and we recently re-architected this database to scale horizontally. Totally understand that you want more options for how to host your data. Unfortunately, we don't have any pla…

>Totally understand that you want more options for how to host your data. Unfortunately, we don't have any plans on that front at the moment. This is unfortunate. I tried Notion a few months back, and almost loved it enough to pay for a subscription. Once I saw that, I refunded the subscription and went back to markdown and git. I love your software, but the lock-in is frustrating.

If you’re the CEO, would you rather have a frustrating but profitable product or a non-frustrating but non-profitable product?

I think people forget this part of the math.

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Post by boraoztunc »

chrisweekly wrote: post #119
robbiemitchell wrote: post #105

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Even pretty established players like Asana don't offer on prem. Curious what you'd be willing to pay for this, as it's exclusively an enterprise feature. My guess is an absolute minimum of $50k/year contract value, or 250-350 users at an enterprise per-seat price (just guessing). Aside from going fully on prem, the idea of strictly dedicated storage is interesting -- like "bring your own S3 bucket" simplicity. I don'…

You're right about Asana -- but it's worth noting that RoamResearch ($100/yr) offers private, offline dbs, and Roam's OSS "vassal" app (ie, clone) AthensResearch is self-hosted and free-as-in-beer.

Obsidian (https://obsidian.md) also offers offline, + for free.

Re: Notion API – public beta

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Post by iampims »

polote wrote: post #140
robbiemitchell wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even pretty established players like Asana don't offer on prem. Curious what you'd be willing to pay for this, as it's exclusively an enterprise feature. My guess is an absolute minimum of $50k/year contract value, or 250-350 users at an enterprise per-seat price (just guessing). Aside from going fully on prem, the idea of strictly dedicated storage is interesting -- like "bring your own S3 bucket" simplicity. I don'…

Even if the offer is appealing, this is unlikely to happen. Confluence who used to offer it, has stopped and soon everyone would need to use the cloud version. The thing is that for a collaborative tool like Notion (and others) being Saas, and in the cloud is kind of mandatory. As you need your tool to integrate with other services and thus, can't be static. The only possibility left is "dedicated storage". That work…

Backup to s3 every N hours sounds like a good trade off.

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Post by oarsinsync »

ptd wrote: post #162
smoldesu wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Totally understand that you want more options for how to host your data. Unfortunately, we don't have any plans on that front at the moment. This is unfortunate. I tried Notion a few months back, and almost loved it enough to pay for a subscription. Once I saw that, I refunded the subscription and went back to markdown and git. I love your software, but the lock-in is frustrating.

If you’re the CEO, would you rather have a frustrating but profitable product or a non-frustrating but non-profitable product? I think people forget this part of the math.

If your product is only profitable because you created artificial friction, your business is unlikely to exist a decade from now unless you are thinking about diversifying already.

Allowing me to host my data myself should not reduce your profits as long as your product is still the best.

If you’re focused on (relative) short term profits to get paid and retire on a beach, and you succeed, good for you. I’m totally jealous and wish I was you.

Unfortunately, I’m also not your target customer.

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Post by nonameiguess »

polote wrote: post #140
robbiemitchell wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even pretty established players like Asana don't offer on prem. Curious what you'd be willing to pay for this, as it's exclusively an enterprise feature. My guess is an absolute minimum of $50k/year contract value, or 250-350 users at an enterprise per-seat price (just guessing). Aside from going fully on prem, the idea of strictly dedicated storage is interesting -- like "bring your own S3 bucket" simplicity. I don'…

Even if the offer is appealing, this is unlikely to happen. Confluence who used to offer it, has stopped and soon everyone would need to use the cloud version. The thing is that for a collaborative tool like Notion (and others) being Saas, and in the cloud is kind of mandatory. As you need your tool to integrate with other services and thus, can't be static. The only possibility left is "dedicated storage". That work…

Atlassian tools still offer on-prem, but you need a data center license now and they doubled the price of that. Unfortunate, but they'd be losing some huge customers that cannot run in the cloud not just as a matter of policy but technology. The entire IC developer platform is using the Atlassian suite, for instance, but on JWICS, a classified network with no connectivity to Atlassian's cloud.

What's going to end up happening if more vendors decide you can only use their service from their cloud is the largest enterprises and governments are going to exclusively use Microsoft and AWS since they're more than willing to just build you your own cloud that meets whatever security and disconnection requirements you have, no matter how stringent. Already no new government projects that still have a choice are going with Atlassian tooling.

We'll see how it goes for them, I guess. Maybe they don't need governments and Fortune 500s and can get by selling exclusively to startups with no real security or lock-in avoidance requirements.

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Post by resource0x »

isbwkisbakadqv wrote: post #153
resource0x wrote: post #151

FWIW, my note taking app is github. Created a private repo, keeping my notes as "issues". I can label, link, search them, insert images, add comments etc. Can someone name a relevant feature that is missing from github?

Can you explain how this works in more detail - I’m intrigued!

Every time I want to memorize something, I either open an issue against my fake repo (created specifically for this purpose) or add another comment to an existing issue. It's a good idea to create 1 issue per topic and just keep adding separate comments. Cross-references can be added for the linked concepts. Github markdown is quite rich. There are features (like "") that can be found only there. There's not much to say actually. Try it out - you will figure out what works best for you.

Re: Notion API – public beta

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Post by dawnerd »

A little late for us. We ended up switching away after being a very early adopter. The downtime, slowness and poor search really did it in for us.

Hoping for the best to the team, you’ve grown so fast it’s incredible!

Re: Notion API – public beta

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Post by [deleted] »

cristinacordova wrote: post #84
TechBro8615 wrote: post #73

Big fan of notion. Not a fan of the data lock-in or haphazard security. For tools like this, SaaS will almost always beat open source just by virtue of elbow grease and a product direction. So I’m willing to forego the open source alternatives. But I really wish Notion gave me more options for how to host my data. AFAICT they offer no “dedicated storage” or “on premise” plan, even if you want to pay for it. In fact I…

(Cristina from Notion here) We shared a bit more in the past about how most of our user content was stored in a single database instance (see more here: https://www.notion.so/notion/Focus-on-performance-reliabilit... ). That is no longer true and we recently re-architected this database to scale horizontally. Totally understand that you want more options for how to host your data. Unfortunately, we don't have any pla…

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