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$365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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Okay, here's my Big Brain, 4D Chess take: Elon Musk wanted to adopt Bitcoin, but he knew there was this big problem with energy consumption. It's bad for his brand, and perhaps goes against his own ethics. Could he say "hey, get the energy consumption down and I'll go all-in with Tesla"? People wouldn't think much of it. Better option: Buy a huge stake in Bitcoin, announce that he'll be accepting bitcoin at Tesla, ge…

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-05-13/elon-m... Surely by next week he’ll be tweeting, like, “we are building a giant battery in the desert to mine Bitcoin, Bitcoin is good again, you can use it to pay for Teslas,” and the price will shoot back up, and I’ll once again hit the button that auto-generates this column.

There was a time Porsche made more profits than revenue, back before the 2008 crash. Mainly due to financial shenanigans, primarily with VW. Came crashing down in 2008 with the failed acquisition of VW, that ended with a merger of kinds.

Maybe Tesla ends up in a similar situation, making the majority of it profits from Bitcoin. Wouldn't be to bad for them short term, it would mud the waters regarding Tesla even more so.

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How is this a pump and dump? They never dumped. It is certainly stupidity from Musk, but I don't know why you are implying maliciousness when they are still holding Bitcoin and therefore they are equally hurt by this drop in value.

Tesla made $101M in Bitcoin profits in Q1, which was 1/6th of their operating profit.

Paper profits? Or did they sell their BTC?

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I'm the oppsite, and I'm not a btc maximalist. I'm not going to make any predicitons about the price direction of either coin, I'm mainly surprised by eth's huge rise. there's some risk with the eth2 / PoS migration, though it comes with a huge benefit. would someone mind explaining the technical risk? i'm not that well versed in it, maybe i'm overstating it (the market is obviously bullish about it). without it, sma…

The proof of stake ETH2 chain is already live for Ethereum and has been since December. That chain is parallel to the existing proof of work chain. They now need to merge the POW chain into the ETH2 validator nodes so they can conduct consensus from there on. The merge has been simulated already and is being tested. Core devs seem to be confident it will be feasible with low risk. But of course, there's always a chan…

It's one thing for it to be live, it's another thing for it to be stress tested in actual production/real world with people's actual money.

I have a vested interest in hoping it lands successfully, but being a software engineer, I know how many bugs I've had even in simple programs, I can only imagine the kinds of bugs that will be discovered in eth2 considering just how complex it is.

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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Tesla might not have dumped. But I'd be very interested to see Musk's personal trading accounts, and the trading accounts of his close associates.

It is incredibly hard to imagine that the upside in Musk's personal Bitcoin stake, whatever it is, is anywhere close to approaching his personal stake in Tesla. Something like 70% of his net worth is Tesla stock. It would be unbelievably stupid to jeopardize the value of the Tesla stock to pump up the value of his Bitcoin holdings. Some of these anti-Musk conspiracy theories are truly crazy especially considering the…

> Something like 70% of his net worth is Tesla stock.

For now. Spacex is going to be the most valuable company on Earth and Mars.

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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The charity he donated to is going to liquidate it over time to protect the community. It's ridiculous. https://twitter.com/CryptoRelief_/status/1392559057764962304

this is why in finance the most obvious or intuitive prediction or outcome is often the wrong one. "omg..he sold his stock/crypto/token etc., therefore it must fall a lot!" He should have just sold thee shib, convert to $, and cut the check. Too much of charity these days feels like moving assets around and money instead of donating. That is why the UBI is so popular, because it gives the money to the people instead…

Taxes!

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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My hot-take having watched the culling from an invested position follows. Disclaimer: i hold both BTC and ETH. While the market in general is down, the major losses in this crash were Bitcoin, Doge and Shiba. Bitcoin is an obvious result given the news. Doge and Shiba have had pretty spectacular gains over the last ~30d and seeing them lose considerable value is unsurprising if you follow crypto markets much. Seeming…

> While the market in general is down, the major losses in this crash were Bitcoin, Doge and Shiba. Bitcoin is an obvious result given the news. Doge and Shiba have had pretty spectacular gains over the last ~30d and seeing them lose considerable value is unsurprising if you follow crypto markets much.

the interesting thing is that all those 3 coin crashes were again due to Elon Musk. He has been spreading the FUD all this time. I wonder how influencing markets is legal.

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They also seemed to have taken some profits. Tesla's Q1 reports a profit of $101 million from Bitcoin sales.

Which he stated was done to prove liquidity.

Hard to take that at face value when Tesla has historically struggled to make profits. If you were worried about liquidity, you wouldn't put that much capital at risk.

Also, liquidity today doesn't say anything about liquidity in a year's time.

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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My hot-take having watched the culling from an invested position follows. Disclaimer: i hold both BTC and ETH. While the market in general is down, the major losses in this crash were Bitcoin, Doge and Shiba. Bitcoin is an obvious result given the news. Doge and Shiba have had pretty spectacular gains over the last ~30d and seeing them lose considerable value is unsurprising if you follow crypto markets much. Seeming…

The crypto market is so big now that it's hard to imagine enough new money to make prices go up anymore. How does anyone justify these obscure tokens and coins being worth billions.

It's called leverage, unfortunately too many exchanges offer way too high leverage to people who might not fully understand what they are doing.

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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This was from Musk's announcement as can be plainly seen from https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%201-d&geo=... and https://www.coindesk.com/price/bitcoin At 3pm PT on 5/12, Bitcoin was at $54.6k USD. Musk tweeted https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1392602041025843203 at 3:06pm. Two hours later, BTC was at $47.7k. One cannot blame the media on this, and it's not the result of macroeconomic news.

DOGE's drop over the weekend also more or less coincided w/ Musk's appearance on SNL (where he called it a "hustle"). If you recall, the previous rise in BTC also followed closely on the tails of the news that Tesla was getting into BTC. Kinda insane that a single guy can make almost the entirety of the crypto market swing 10-20% every time they mention crypto.

That's what happens when the blind are leading the blind.

Re: $365B wiped off cryptocurrency market after Tesla stops accepting Bitcoin

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Meanwhile, Palantir announces an interest in accepting Bitcoin payments and investing in cryptocurrencies.[1] Leading from behind! [1] https://finance.yahoo.com/news/3-palantir-allows-payments-bi...

Peter Thiel is full pro-Bitcoin.
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