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Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by patwolf »

melling wrote: post #8
patwolf wrote: post #4

The CDC really botched this one. Nobody will be able to take them seriously because either a) their previous guidance was correct and they only updated guidance to encourage more people to get vaccinated, or b) their previous guidance was wrong. Either way, it makes them look foolish and destroys whatever credibility still remained in the institution.

No, they didn’t. The CDC explained that we didn’t know if people could be contagious after being vaccinated. Not sure where this stands. Now most people who want the vaccine will soon have it but it looks like lots of holdouts. So, now we have a carrot and stick. No mask required and people are now on their own if they choose to skip it

The CDC director herself was saying back in April that vaccinated people don't spread the virus.

> “Vaccinated people do not carry the virus — they don’t get sick,” Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the CDC, told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow on Tuesday. That’s “not just in the clinical trials, but it’s also in real-world data.”

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by infamouscow »

sacomo wrote: post #5

Vaccines still aren't 100%. This is bad advice from the CDC. It will only lead to anti-masker/vaxxers using this as an excuse for not wearing a mask. Even the fully vaccinated should be wearing a mask around other people. 94%/97% is not 100%. edit: Japan is a good example for how masks have drastically reduced the number of infected due to mask culture. Japan has half the US population and still isn't vaccinating the…

Nothing is 100% certain. If you don't want to risk it then stay at home.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by melling »

patwolf wrote: post #11
melling wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they didn’t. The CDC explained that we didn’t know if people could be contagious after being vaccinated. Not sure where this stands. Now most people who want the vaccine will soon have it but it looks like lots of holdouts. So, now we have a carrot and stick. No mask required and people are now on their own if they choose to skip it

The CDC director herself was saying back in April that vaccinated people don't spread the virus. > “Vaccinated people do not carry the virus — they don’t get sick,” Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the CDC, told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow on Tuesday. That’s “not just in the clinical trials, but it’s also in real-world data.”

In the future skip to the part where that was retracted.

https://people.com/health/vaccinated-people-do-not-appear-ca...

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by infamouscow »

sacomo wrote: post #10
scotuswroteus wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The average person can expect to be in three to four car accidents during their lifetime. I'm still driving around (vaxxed, not belligerent, happy to mask for the time being).

That is great. But still, vaccinated people shouldn't be told that they cannot get infected. There is this weird misconception floating around that just because we get vaccinated we are somehow immune to covid-19. That is a dangerous and misguided belief.

I thought was actually mattered was hospitalizations and deaths. Why is measuring infections relevant?

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by patwolf »

melling wrote: post #13
patwolf wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CDC director herself was saying back in April that vaccinated people don't spread the virus. > “Vaccinated people do not carry the virus — they don’t get sick,” Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the CDC, told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow on Tuesday. That’s “not just in the clinical trials, but it’s also in real-world data.”

In the future skip to the part where that was retracted. https://people.com/health/vaccinated-people-do-not-appear-ca...

At least I was right about the CDC lacking credibility.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by unanswered »

infamouscow wrote: post #14
sacomo wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is great. But still, vaccinated people shouldn't be told that they cannot get infected. There is this weird misconception floating around that just because we get vaccinated we are somehow immune to covid-19. That is a dangerous and misguided belief.

I thought was actually mattered was hospitalizations and deaths. Why is measuring infections relevant?

According to the public perception, getting COVID is a death sentence. That's all there is to it.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by KoftaBob »

sacomo wrote: post #5

Vaccines still aren't 100%. This is bad advice from the CDC. It will only lead to anti-masker/vaxxers using this as an excuse for not wearing a mask. Even the fully vaccinated should be wearing a mask around other people. 94%/97% is not 100%. edit: Japan is a good example for how masks have drastically reduced the number of infected due to mask culture. Japan has half the US population and still isn't vaccinating the…

The point was to get the risk/velocity of spread to a much smaller and manageable amount.

Anything after that, if it's still too much risk for someone because they're only comfortable with 100% certainty, they can choose to stay at home.

We're not going to keep society on hold until we reach 100% eradication of a virus, just to appease neurotic people.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by KoftaBob »

sacomo wrote: post #10
scotuswroteus wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The average person can expect to be in three to four car accidents during their lifetime. I'm still driving around (vaxxed, not belligerent, happy to mask for the time being).

That is great. But still, vaccinated people shouldn't be told that they cannot get infected. There is this weird misconception floating around that just because we get vaccinated we are somehow immune to covid-19. That is a dangerous and misguided belief.

The CDC, FDA, governments, etc have said constantly that the vaccines have a 90-95% efficacy rate.

Anyone who somehow interpreted that as "completely immune" has bad reading comprehension.

This sounds like a strawman argument that you're making, I don't know where you're getting that there's a misconception of the vaccine equating to 100% immunity. No one said that.

Re: Vaccinated Americans now may go without masks in most places, the CDC said

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Post by sacomo »

infamouscow wrote: post #14
sacomo wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is great. But still, vaccinated people shouldn't be told that they cannot get infected. There is this weird misconception floating around that just because we get vaccinated we are somehow immune to covid-19. That is a dangerous and misguided belief.

I thought was actually mattered was hospitalizations and deaths. Why is measuring infections relevant?

The primary goal is to not contract covid-19.
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