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Colonial Pipeline Paid Hackers Nearly $5M in Ransom

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Re: Colonial Pipeline Paid Hackers Nearly $5M in Ransom

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> Once they received the payment, the hackers provided the operator with a decrypting tool to restore its disabled computer network. The tool was so slow that the company continued using its own backups to help restore the system, one of the people familiar with the company’s efforts said.

I thought the protocol for these attacks was to send the decryption keys, not provide a "decrypting tool."

If some kind of software was provided by the attackers, and Colonial installed it, this could be far from over.

Also, if the company has backups, then why not use them instead? If they're incomplete, then that's the real problem.

Re: Colonial Pipeline Paid Hackers Nearly $5M in Ransom

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Now we have one less critical piece of infrastructure that could be trivially knocked out by a hostile state.

How do you know that? What evidence is there that it's any more secure than it used to be?

These pirates have committed to not hitting the same target again?

Re: Colonial Pipeline Paid Hackers Nearly $5M in Ransom

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Paying ransom should be illegal. Ransom funds illegal activities. Not indirectly, like buying coffee or poppyseed or whatever, but literally money that is directly reinvested in criminal activity- like ransomware.

I understand the sentiment, but you'd end up re-victimizing the victim. Someone who felt like they had no choice but to pay could later be prosecuted, while the the actual criminal walks free in anonymity.

Re: Colonial Pipeline Paid Hackers Nearly $5M in Ransom

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Too many companies prefer to skimp on security since it has no apparent payoff until it's too late. What I want to know are the circumstances of the hack; how did it work, what systems did it affect, what security were they lacking. Sadly these details are often ignored or hidden from view. Attacks of this kind should get a public report so that other companies can learn or at least be shamed into changing. It seems…

We need something like a fire diamond for software and data: some tuple like ((fails to)conform to spec/testing(and production) only (ie contains PII or is garbage data)/(permissive,restrictive,free) license/(un)safe library calls or language) or so. Some stuff is pretty subjective but so are the fire diamond numbers sometimes, plus we can pick objective boundaries (calls to gets cannot be safe for example.) I think…

A Fire Diamond:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFPA_704

Re: Colonial Pipeline Paid Hackers Nearly $5M in Ransom

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post #31

> Once they received the payment, the hackers provided the operator with a decrypting tool to restore its disabled computer network. The tool was so slow that the company continued using its own backups to help restore the system, one of the people familiar with the company’s efforts said. I thought the protocol for these attacks was to send the decryption keys, not provide a "decrypting tool." If some kind of softwa…

Probably a reporter/reporting issue. No company that just have been hacked would run a binary received from the hackers in order to restore the systems, they cannot be that stupid. But then again, they did pay the ransom and also seemingly can't restore their systems from backups, so who knows how stupid they really are?

More charitable reading is that the encryption key was sent over, and they started restoring with that but using standard OSS tooling.

Re: Colonial Pipeline Paid Hackers Nearly $5M in Ransom

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“That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld, You never get rid of the Dane.” It’s going to be a tough few years being in security in the industrial control field for the next few years. https://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/dane_geld.htm...

I was thinking that now is a good time to go INTO computer security, you now have a solid example to use justifying your actions. In the past we worried about exfiltration of data, now we'll be worried about infiltration of control.

Good point. If only they paid software engineers who work on critical infrastructure the same as they paid software engineers who work on ads.

Re: Colonial Pipeline Paid Hackers Nearly $5M in Ransom

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Too many companies prefer to skimp on security since it has no apparent payoff until it's too late. What I want to know are the circumstances of the hack; how did it work, what systems did it affect, what security were they lacking. Sadly these details are often ignored or hidden from view. Attacks of this kind should get a public report so that other companies can learn or at least be shamed into changing. It seems…

Part of the problem is it's very hard to value security because, frankly, so much security is theatrics and snake oil.

For instance, look at the consumer market, which is where an executive without security knowledge is coming from. All the big VPN vendors make security promises that are, frankly, false advertising. AV products are notorious for including warnings for viruses that pad their counts. That's not counting all the security applications that are malware.

And if they talk to someone familiar with the industry side, they should hear some skepticism. All the static analyzers are full of flags for things that are there to drive up their numbers. There have been a few HN stories on junk CVEs that are filed so people can put them on their resume. I had to set up a WAF at work that proudly said it mitigated the OWASP top-ten (why the top ten? is #11 not important?) which include recommendations like logging that a WAF is plainly not doing. And then I tested its defense against SQL injection and it was trivial to bypass.

And if a business that isn't a tech company hires contractors to fix security issues, most of the time, those guys will do a lot of check the box BS. It's fundamentally difficult, from a business operations perspective, for a company to do security because: 1. the horizon problem that you bring up 2. it's a cost-center 3. it's not their core expertise 4. if you even ask what secure looks like, you either get filibustered with long lists of best practices, or a lot of hand waving but strident proclamations.

Re: Colonial Pipeline Paid Hackers Nearly $5M in Ransom

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The next group will want more than $5 million, and so on. If the lottery didnt allow advertising of big wins that were made, a lot less people would buy lottery tickets.

No, there's a hard upper limit on ransoms; the cost of recovery.

What about when the cost of having the data exposed to the public is higher than that of recovery
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