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Covid-19 Was 'A Preventable Disaster,' WHO-Ordered Report Says

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Re: Covid-19 Was 'A Preventable Disaster,' WHO-Ordered Report Says

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Man, all the WHO bashing comments are getting downvoted pretty quickly, except: - WHO took a _long_ time to declare a pandemic when member countries were asking for it. - WHO actively discouraged international border closures for containment. - WHO took way too long to declare aerosol transmission even when countries had identified it. In a global scale event like this, there's no individual country who should have b…

Also WHO told people not to wear masks and that it could actually make it more likely to get covid (CDC echoed this as well). “But it was justified lying to protect the mask supply!”—some people already had masks, and didn’t wear them because of this. I had someone literally get mad at me and block me because I said wearing a mask was obviously a good idea, and an N95 is more likely to protect you than a cloth mask.

WHO straight up told not to close borders with china as initial recommendation as well. so fuck em. until they come out and detail how did they got it so wrong, why, and what actions they are taking not to fuck up again, they have _zero_ credibility.

Re: Covid-19 Was 'A Preventable Disaster,' WHO-Ordered Report Says

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I understand, HIV is fairly difficult to transmit, requiring an exchange of infected body fluids. This makes it deeply traumatic because the people you're most likely to infect will be people extremely close to you. To some extent this is true of almost any transmissable disease, but HIV added the twist that infection is very, very unlikely to happen between two individuals that are not physically intimate…

> From what I understand, HIV is fairly difficult to transmit, requiring an exchange of infected body fluids. Fauci didn't think so in 1983. "But if ''nonsexual, non-blood-borne transmission is possible, the scope of the syndrome may be enormous,'' writes Dr. Fauci of the National Institutes of Health in an editorial to be published Friday in the Journal of the American Medical Association." https://www.nytimes.com/1…

The "if" changes the meaning of his statement significantly.

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post #82

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The WHO lost a lot of credibility (deserved or not). They clearly either did not have a good grasp of the science and evidence while they were issuing their proclamations, or they were attempting to steer reality away from certain problematic scenarios for certain interests that have corrupted the organization. Or both. The bigger problem was not the WHO, it's very common for such organizations to be highly dysfuncti…

WHO, being an NGO, has no authority, governments do. States can either improve by cooperation, or become dysfunctional, but they are the authorities in this world.

The subservient bootlickers were quite desperate to give it authority. And the WHO is already dysfunctional and corrupt.

Re: Covid-19 Was 'A Preventable Disaster,' WHO-Ordered Report Says

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Objectively, Covid-19 was a preventable disaster. From all around the world, the issue was governmental competence. Almost every government in the world did not treat the issue with the due amount of urgency. Almost every government in the world screwed up on airborne transmission for a good while. Almost every government downright minimized the issued and wasted precious months of time that could have been used to r…

>> Objectively, Covid-19 was a preventable disaster. >> From all around the world, the issue was governmental competence.

But was it? Perhaps it was theoretically preventable but not in practice. Something across political systems, human psychology, religions makes it objectively non-preventable.

I think governments didn't react correctly as this is the first time in the lifespan of many to happen. Countries that had similar outbreaks recently did well. I bet you Covid-22 will be handled differently.

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post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> From what I understand, HIV is fairly difficult to transmit, requiring an exchange of infected body fluids. Fauci didn't think so in 1983. "But if ''nonsexual, non-blood-borne transmission is possible, the scope of the syndrome may be enormous,'' writes Dr. Fauci of the National Institutes of Health in an editorial to be published Friday in the Journal of the American Medical Association." https://www.nytimes.com/1…

The "if" changes the meaning of his statement significantly.

Innumerably many valid statements of the form 'if P then Q' can be generated.

But dissemination of one by a govt. scientist in a prominent medical journal, however, indicates that they think it likely enough to be true.

Re: Covid-19 Was 'A Preventable Disaster,' WHO-Ordered Report Says

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post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WHO, being an NGO, has no authority, governments do. States can either improve by cooperation, or become dysfunctional, but they are the authorities in this world.

The subservient bootlickers were quite desperate to give it authority. And the WHO is already dysfunctional and corrupt.

Who and what authority was given to WHO? Please explain your rationale.

WHO is just an NGO, a reflection of multiple member states cooperating through it. Not all states are faithful or trustworthy.

Re: Covid-19 Was 'A Preventable Disaster,' WHO-Ordered Report Says

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post #127

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The subservient bootlickers were quite desperate to give it authority. And the WHO is already dysfunctional and corrupt.

Who and what authority was given to WHO? Please explain your rationale. WHO is just an NGO, a reflection of multiple member states cooperating through it. Not all states are faithful or trustworthy.

What do you mean rationale? Entities have authority according to who and what they can influence and affect. It is false to say a state has absolute authority and the WHO has no authority.

Those who listen to, act on advice from, censor and attack opposition to the WHO give it authority. This seems to be very upsetting to you for some reason.

Re: Covid-19 Was 'A Preventable Disaster,' WHO-Ordered Report Says

#129
post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who and what authority was given to WHO? Please explain your rationale. WHO is just an NGO, a reflection of multiple member states cooperating through it. Not all states are faithful or trustworthy.

What do you mean rationale? Entities have authority according to who and what they can influence and affect. It is false to say a state has absolute authority and the WHO has no authority. Those who listen to, act on advice from, censor and attack opposition to the WHO give it authority. This seems to be very upsetting to you for some reason.

On the contrary, and no need for hostile comments attempting to belittle other posters.

Re: Covid-19 Was 'A Preventable Disaster,' WHO-Ordered Report Says

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Couple of points: 1. Lockdown and travel restrictions are not the same. 2. Travel restrictions and reasonable public health safety measure are not exclusive. They only work in conjunction. I would argue that one of the most damaging things the EU did was take care of these things linearly. As an example German Pharmacies warned the Government of mask supply issues in February. Maybe even January. I know february beca…

You should re-read my original comment. I said that travel restrictions would not do anything unless the pandemic strategy was eradiction. If the strategy is to "flattien the curve", then there is essentially no effect from closing borders. >1. Lockdown and travel restrictions are not the same. Yes, this is the entire point of my argument. >2. Travel restrictions and reasonable public health safety measure are not ex…

> You should re-read my original comment. I said that travel restrictions would not do anything unless the pandemic strategy was eradiction. If the strategy is to "flattien the curve", then there is essentially no effect from closing borders.

You should look outside the window there are more countries in the world than just the EU and the USA. Taiwan had effectively zero community transmission for almost a year without lockdown. Travel restrictions were a vital part to that.

The whole flatten the curve argument was a hack to reset a botched pandemic response.

> This is not correct. Lockdowns work even without travel restrictions. Travel restrictions don't do much without lockdowns (and other non-pharmaceutical interventions).

Howd they work out in Europe? How many lockdowns will they have? They actually did Lockdowns without travel restrictions and it did not work. It did flatten the curve a bit, but the end result is still a mess.

Your entire argument is based on an assumption that the outcome is already determined.

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