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‘Misogynistic’ Apple hire is out hours after employees call for investigation

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> At Apple, we have always strived to create an inclusive, welcoming workplace where everyone is respected and accepted. Behavior that demeans or discriminates against people for who they are has no place here. - Apple Sounds amazingly like: > This is an environment of welcoming, and you should just get the hell out of here. - Michael Scott

In order to have a welcoming space you need to kick out people who are not themselves welcoming. Nobody is being hypocritical here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

Re: ‘Misogynistic’ Apple hire is out hours after employees call for investigation

#33

As with Reddit's Aimee Challenor controversy, I can't see why the hiring company did not do a simple google search of the candidate before moving forward in the hiring process. In both cases, the hiring process is either broken if they did not bother to search, or they did search and the company initially did not care. The later, bowing to employee pressure and backtracking, would be spineless.

What would a Google search have revealed? As far as I can tell ("antonio garcia martinez before:2021"), neither he nor his book faced any significant controversy until today.

Re: ‘Misogynistic’ Apple hire is out hours after employees call for investigation

#35

Outside of the main quote that keeps showing up, he was also fairly creepy writing about women he worked with . > Unlike most women at Facebook (or in the Bay Area, really) she knew how to dress; forties-style, form-fitting dresses from neck to knee were her mainstay. > There were few women one would call conventionally attractive at Facebook. The few there were rarely if ever dressed for work with their femininity o…

The only thing that should matter is:

Can he do the job?

Whether he wrote a book people get their panties twisted over does not appear to be a part of that job description.

When did this concept become so controversial?

Re: ‘Misogynistic’ Apple hire is out hours after employees call for investigation

#36

Outside of the main quote that keeps showing up, he was also fairly creepy writing about women he worked with . > Unlike most women at Facebook (or in the Bay Area, really) she knew how to dress; forties-style, form-fitting dresses from neck to knee were her mainstay. > There were few women one would call conventionally attractive at Facebook. The few there were rarely if ever dressed for work with their femininity o…

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Re: ‘Misogynistic’ Apple hire is out hours after employees call for investigation

#37

Back in my days, people were judged by the value their work could could bring to the company, rather than based subjective assessments of subjective moral standards. This makes me feel old. Do you think we will ever return to a world where a builder (for example) would be chosen based on their competence in being able to build a house rather than based upon some potential social media controversy one builder might tr…

But a big part of just about anyone's work with the company is working effectively with other people, some of whom are women.

To continue your builder analogy, this is sort of like if you were going to hire a builder and you found that most of his social media posts were about how much he enjoyed building substandard houses and overcharging his customers.

Re: ‘Misogynistic’ Apple hire is out hours after employees call for investigation

#38

Outside of the main quote that keeps showing up, he was also fairly creepy writing about women he worked with . > Unlike most women at Facebook (or in the Bay Area, really) she knew how to dress; forties-style, form-fitting dresses from neck to knee were her mainstay. > There were few women one would call conventionally attractive at Facebook. The few there were rarely if ever dressed for work with their femininity o…

The only thing that should matter is: Can he do the job? Whether he wrote a book people get their panties twisted over does not appear to be a part of that job description. When did this concept become so controversial?

How could he do the job if there were any female colleagues around? Clearly he's too busy thinking about whether they're attractive to focus on his work.

Re: ‘Misogynistic’ Apple hire is out hours after employees call for investigation

#39

Back in my days, people were judged by the value their work could could bring to the company, rather than based subjective assessments of subjective moral standards. This makes me feel old. Do you think we will ever return to a world where a builder (for example) would be chosen based on their competence in being able to build a house rather than based upon some potential social media controversy one builder might tr…

> Some people just want a nice house.

And there are people who can just as competently build a house who happen to not be assholes!

Re: ‘Misogynistic’ Apple hire is out hours after employees call for investigation

#40

Outside of the main quote that keeps showing up, he was also fairly creepy writing about women he worked with . > Unlike most women at Facebook (or in the Bay Area, really) she knew how to dress; forties-style, form-fitting dresses from neck to knee were her mainstay. > There were few women one would call conventionally attractive at Facebook. The few there were rarely if ever dressed for work with their femininity o…

If anyone thinks this is a case of "cancel culture wokerati you can't say anything these days", I can only assume you've never heard of the guy.

Read the many, lengthy direct quotes from his writing in https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/12/22432909/apple-petition-h....

This is a guy who has made a writing/speaking career of knowingly saying crassly offensive and, at best, childishly naughty things about entire classes of people he would be managing at Apple (or anywhere else). He's a professional troll. It's not like someone dug up a single reddit post of his he made when he was in high school.

It's a genuine mystery to me how he got hired for any management job in the first place.

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