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Apple employees petition demanding investigation into ‘misogynistic’ new hire

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Re: Apple employees petition demanding investigation into ‘misogynistic’ new hire

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Post by tomnipotent »

Udik wrote: post #28
tomnipotent wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. We're allowed to judge people for the things they do and so, and decide we don't want to work with them. He's allowed his, and we're allowed ours. Many people are not interested with working with people that hold these world views, not when they have influence over the career progression of others.

The question is not whether it's allowed or not, it is. The question is whether it's stupid or not, and I think it is, terribly so.

So women should be forced to work under a known misogynist, their salary and promotions tied to a boss that thinks them inferior and has literally published a book saying so? Yeah, there are no examples of that going poorly.

Re: Apple employees petition demanding investigation into ‘misogynistic’ new hire

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Post by jollybean »

I'm generally wary of cancel culture, but I don't even understand how a person could even really say such a thing i.e. 'women are useless and full of crap' let alone publish it.

Forget the bigotry ... just the lack of self awareness is pretty crazy.

I don't like the infusion of Damore however, that's a different discussion, I wish people would stop crossing streams on such an important subject, full of nuance in every direction. This guy's statements are of a different kind than Damores.

Re: Apple employees petition demanding investigation into ‘misogynistic’ new hire

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Post by rasputnik6502 »

tomnipotent wrote: post #31
Udik wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is not whether it's allowed or not, it is. The question is whether it's stupid or not, and I think it is, terribly so.

So women should be forced to work under a known misogynist, their salary and promotions tied to a boss that thinks them inferior and has literally published a book saying so? Yeah, there are no examples of that going poorly.

Nobody forces them to work, and 'known mysogynist' is just a personal attack without merit. What actions did he take against women in general or any woman in particular to be called a misogynist? Remember, if it's only your personal belief, if you dislike the book and the author of it you're free to look for another workplace. But not free to take actions against someone just because you don't like them.

Re: Apple employees petition demanding investigation into ‘misogynistic’ new hire

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Post by mgamache »

zoeysaurusrex wrote: post #24
mgamache wrote: post #11

It's not like Apple is making money from misogynistic music or supports a regime that enforces female sterilization. As long as Apple employees to have a safe space from offensive ideas and people all is okay.

So you think women should feel okay working alongside someone who thinks they are soft and weak, cosseted and naive despite their claims of worldliness, and generally full of shit? It's not about safe spaces or offensive ideas. It's about enabling sexism and racism to freely propagate while telling minority groups that it isn't harmful despite past experience.

I was just pointing out the myopic hypocrisy of the complaint. Also, women are not a minority group, but I would say that if he's hired to do a job at a company he should be held to the same standards as any other employee. If he acts in ways that are outside the standards set by the company he should be fired. If the company rules don't allow for sexism, there will be none enabled. I think pre-screening employees based on their speech is a road to nowhere. I don't know where the racism part came from did I miss that in the article?

Re: Apple employees petition demanding investigation into ‘misogynistic’ new hire

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Post by SamReidHughes »

MyHypatia wrote: post #27

A person who wrote that Bay Area women are "soft", "weak" "useless baggage" that "should be traded for shotgun shells" should not be entrusted with a position where he evaluates other people's job performance.

The article quotes one of those Bay Area woman in tech who finds her job and life "exhausting." A common affliction. Why are these strong Bay Area women so exhausted all the time?

Re: Apple employees petition demanding investigation into ‘misogynistic’ new hire

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Post by SirSourdough »

rasputnik6502 wrote: post #22

Something bad is happening to companies, they become full of shit because of nothing. Isn't there a difference between expressing unpopular opinions and actually abusing or attacking people? Or thoughtcrime is becoming punishable? Someone is working hard on adding fuel to misogyny

Since when can you not judge a person on what they write in a published book?

This isn’t “crime”, nobody is claiming it’s illegal. But it’s still sexist and flat out wrong to essentially say that most women are worthless, and it’s perfectly reasonable not to want to work with or for someone who demonstrates such sexist thinking and poor judgement.

Re: Apple employees petition demanding investigation into ‘misogynistic’ new hire

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Post by Udik »

tomnipotent wrote: post #31
Udik wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is not whether it's allowed or not, it is. The question is whether it's stupid or not, and I think it is, terribly so.

So women should be forced to work under a known misogynist, their salary and promotions tied to a boss that thinks them inferior and has literally published a book saying so? Yeah, there are no examples of that going poorly.

> women should be forced to work under a known misogynist

How do you know he's a misogynist? You read a small, absolutely marginal excerpt from a book that is clearly written in a literary style. In it, he draws a comparison between a particular woman, who is praised for her talent and resourcefulness, and "most Bay Area women", who are definitely not all women, in the Bay Area and much less in general. "Most Americans" is not a judgement on human beings, "most American men" is not a judgement on all men, so why should "most Bay Area women" be a judgement on all women? And this is even assuming that that remark corresponds to some deep conviction, which is a silly assumption given the style and the context.

Re: Apple employees petition demanding investigation into ‘misogynistic’ new hire

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Post by zozbot234 »

mgamache wrote: post #35
zoeysaurusrex wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you think women should feel okay working alongside someone who thinks they are soft and weak, cosseted and naive despite their claims of worldliness, and generally full of shit? It's not about safe spaces or offensive ideas. It's about enabling sexism and racism to freely propagate while telling minority groups that it isn't harmful despite past experience.

I was just pointing out the myopic hypocrisy of the complaint. Also, women are not a minority group, but I would say that if he's hired to do a job at a company he should be held to the same standards as any other employee. If he acts in ways that are outside the standards set by the company he should be fired. If the company rules don't allow for sexism, there will be none enabled. I think pre-screening employees ba…

Women are a minority of workers at most tech firms.

Re: Apple employees petition demanding investigation into ‘misogynistic’ new hire

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Post by rasputnik6502 »

CheezeIt wrote: post #8
MyHypatia wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the clown world is hiring someone who wrote: “Most women in the Bay Area are soft and weak, cosseted and naive despite their claims of worldliness, and generally full of shit. They have their self-regarding entitlement feminism, and ceaselessly vaunt their independence, but the reality is, come the epidemic plague or foreign invasion, they’d become precisely the sort of useless baggage you’d trade for a box o…

Yet I see companies like Cisco announcing mental health days for their utterly broken employees.

Brilliant, now we announce you take mental health break for a week. Let the whole company know how we care about you. What? Not accepting would be disgraceful, sorry I insist you take it and get better NOW.
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