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The Macaroni in ‘Yankee Doodle’

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Re: The Macaroni in ‘Yankee Doodle’

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That’s an interesting categorization of the sub-cultures/scenes you listed. Are there any sub-cultures you would classify as “other” (in the sense of being other than the status quo of its era) and having introspection and awareness?

Furries? I mean, their whole schtick is that they feel like a different animal trapped in a human body. That's pretty introspective and self-aware, I guess.

The absurdity of the original comment is that goths and emos are characteristically introspective to a fault. Grunge and goths embodied an attempt to flee from self -- the awareness of which was a necessity for that dynamic. Finally, hipsters (not the original hipsters[1], of course) were painfully self-aware, and self-mocking.

The funniest part is where it's asserted that these "fads" were "played out" by the time they gained any popularity. Which was only true of emos; they swept aside everything that made grunge and goth culture aesthetically interesting, and adopted normcore instead. Well, true of hipsters, too, but "before it was cool" was their whole thing; the played-out nature of the fad was effectively a joke on everybody who cared enough to be bothered by shat beer and silly facial hair.

But, no, I don't think you're right about furries. They aren't "animals trapped in a human's body," that's a mischaracterization used by edgelords who dunk on transgender people. Furries extremely diverse in their internal and external narratives, and I won't attempt to provide an alternative characterization.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hipster_(1940s_subculture)

Re: The Macaroni in ‘Yankee Doodle’

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post #25

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Brooklyn hipster came to town In an '83 Mercedes, Slapped a moustache on his lip And belted out "Mmmm'ladies."

This seems to conflate hipsters and neckbeards.

Brooklyn->Mmmm'ladies makes me think Beasties

Re: The Macaroni in ‘Yankee Doodle’

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Furries? I mean, their whole schtick is that they feel like a different animal trapped in a human body. That's pretty introspective and self-aware, I guess.

The absurdity of the original comment is that goths and emos are characteristically introspective to a fault. Grunge and goths embodied an attempt to flee from self -- the awareness of which was a necessity for that dynamic. Finally, hipsters (not the original hipsters[1], of course) were painfully self-aware, and self-mocking. The funniest part is where it's asserted that these "fads" were "played out" by the time t…

That’s quite a bit of post facto rationalization for various fads that amounted to little more than “this generation’s angst manifest and given a larger platform thanks to an ever-expanding media footprint.”

Re: The Macaroni in ‘Yankee Doodle’

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post #25

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Some dumb American came around driving an abomination. Clipped a tie onto his shirt and called it sophistication.

Brooklyn hipster came to town In an '83 Mercedes, Slapped a moustache on his lip And belted out "Mmmm'ladies."

SV techie came to town

Escaping covid lockdowns

Bought up all the real estate

And thinks it’s Churchill Downs

Re: The Macaroni in ‘Yankee Doodle’

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A lot of fashion is about bravery, as mentioned in the article.

People look on those who can wear what they want as free, because they know they are not, and that they are afraid of being judged.

I saw a guy wearing a kimono and a belt yesterday. Was quite a sight.

Typical judgmental thoughts of "look at that odd dude“ went through my head. But I realized that I couldn’t wear that and the reason would be other people judging me for it, or assigning questionable gender identity upon me.

When looking back to 18th century fashion it is extreme compared to the extremes that people are chasing today.

Everyone is trying to be different. Maybe wigs will come back.

Imagine a world without fashion judgement. What would you wear?

Re: The Macaroni in ‘Yankee Doodle’

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A lot of fashion is about bravery, as mentioned in the article. People look on those who can wear what they want as free, because they know they are not, and that they are afraid of being judged. I saw a guy wearing a kimono and a belt yesterday. Was quite a sight. Typical judgmental thoughts of "look at that odd dude“ went through my head. But I realized that I couldn’t wear that and the reason would be other people…

I was thinking the other day about half the signers of the Declaration of Independence either had their hair curled or in a ponytail, but today a grey-haired man with a short ponytail says "old hippy" not "founding father". Anyway if you'll excuse me, I'm off to get fitted for a new pair of spats.

Re: The Macaroni in ‘Yankee Doodle’

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brooklyn hipster came to town In an '83 Mercedes, Slapped a moustache on his lip And belted out "Mmmm'ladies."

This seems to conflate hipsters and neckbeards.

Was not expecting that to be controversial.
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