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Goldman Sachs executive quits after making millions from Dogecoin

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Re: Goldman Sachs executive quits after making millions from Dogecoin

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It's interesting how the transfer of wealth to a Goldman Sachs executive via cryptocurrency invokes a feeling of mild jealousy and amusement, whereas the transfer of wealth to 'bankers', just like him, just doing their damn jobs and providing a service , invokes revilement in the eyes of the general public. I do think the psychological (is that the word I'm looking for?) aspects of the frothy financial climate drivin…

Crypto could easily be the largest pyramid scheme in history, I have zero interest in participating even if returns were guaranteed - that's not how I want to make money, I see no value being created in these "investments". Recent developments on the stock market kind of killed the market idealism for me. I don't know what's a better alternative, but from where I'm standing the financial system is rewarding wasteful…

I hope crypto continues to open eyes on the current state of the stock market.

Re: Goldman Sachs executive quits after making millions from Dogecoin

#132
post #24

No wealth was created or destroyed in the making of these millions, the millions simply changed hands. Think about that before purchasing a cryptocurrency. You're basically handing your money to an earlier "investor" in the hopes that a future "investor" will hand a greater amount to you. This is all there is to it.

We need to understand is that, while many cryptocurrencies are completely worthless, some cryptocurrencies have solid reasons to exist. Your characterization of all cryptocurrencies as a ponzi scheme purely based on the fact that people buy it because they believe others will buy it later at a higher price is weak because that is how all monetary assets like gold operates. We take it because we believe others will al…

"I believe strongly that a monetary system that's provably scarce, programmable, completely decentralized, permission-less, trustless, higly divisible, borderless and very easy to transfer has the potential to revolutionize how we store value."

But is adding massively to global carbon levels needlessly...

Re: Goldman Sachs executive quits after making millions from Dogecoin

#133
post #24

No wealth was created or destroyed in the making of these millions, the millions simply changed hands. Think about that before purchasing a cryptocurrency. You're basically handing your money to an earlier "investor" in the hopes that a future "investor" will hand a greater amount to you. This is all there is to it.

We need to understand is that, while many cryptocurrencies are completely worthless, some cryptocurrencies have solid reasons to exist. Your characterization of all cryptocurrencies as a ponzi scheme purely based on the fact that people buy it because they believe others will buy it later at a higher price is weak because that is how all monetary assets like gold operates. We take it because we believe others will al…

How does holding some coins give any incentive to anyone else?

Re: Goldman Sachs executive quits after making millions from Dogecoin

#134
post #24

No wealth was created or destroyed in the making of these millions, the millions simply changed hands. Think about that before purchasing a cryptocurrency. You're basically handing your money to an earlier "investor" in the hopes that a future "investor" will hand a greater amount to you. This is all there is to it.

You know this thing called gold. All you are doing is being an early investor in "gold" in the hopes that a future "investor" will hand a greater amount to you for the "gold". This is all there is to it.

And no decent investment advice includes buying gold.

Re: Goldman Sachs executive quits after making millions from Dogecoin

#135
post #21

It's interesting how the transfer of wealth to a Goldman Sachs executive via cryptocurrency invokes a feeling of mild jealousy and amusement, whereas the transfer of wealth to 'bankers', just like him, just doing their damn jobs and providing a service , invokes revilement in the eyes of the general public. I do think the psychological (is that the word I'm looking for?) aspects of the frothy financial climate drivin…

Crypto could easily be the largest pyramid scheme in history, I have zero interest in participating even if returns were guaranteed - that's not how I want to make money, I see no value being created in these "investments". Recent developments on the stock market kind of killed the market idealism for me. I don't know what's a better alternative, but from where I'm standing the financial system is rewarding wasteful…

Diamonds are a scam and everyone knows it. They are an over inflated good held by a monopoly of handful producers that tightly control the supply.

And nobody gives a fuck.

> I see no value being created in these "investments".

And stock market is any better? At the inception stock market was a tool to invest and prop up businesses for long term dividend gains. No its pure speculation tool that doesn't benefit anyone but the concentrated wealth, it is so removed from reality (but you already mentioned that).

At least I made money of crypto, before the blob of ultraweathly descends on it.

Re: Goldman Sachs executive quits after making millions from Dogecoin

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"The man" doesn't have to be rich (but he is), his position is one of power. Money is power, so the man is those on the top floors of institutes dealing with large amounts of money and having gala evenings with politicians and CEOs. That's who the working class person making minimum wage that was just made redundant actually works for. -- Saying that the investor bank executive is working class because he needs to pa…

Working class is anyone who needs to work to survive. The rest (middle class, salary etc) is all a distraction. Pitting poors against poors to leverage power. Either you have enough to live off of your investments 100% or you are working class.

So the millionaire that's spending $5,000 a week in rent and $50,000 a week to maintain his lifestyle—as it might be required by his job and expected by his peers—is working class?

Sorry, it's your definition that is wrong. "Working class" doesn't mean "category of people that work."

"When used non-academically in the United States, [...] it often refers to a section of society dependent on physical labour, especially when compensated with an hourly wage. For example, the working class is loosely defined as those without college degrees. Working-class occupations are then categorized into four groups: unskilled labourers, artisans, outworkers, and factory workers."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_class#Definitions

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What about people buying time pieces (watches)?

In the UK, watches, being mechanical in nature, are not subject to capital gains tax on any profits. For this reason alone luxury collectable watches are a smart investment for diversification purposes for the ultra wealthy.

Huh! Learn something new every day.

Re: Goldman Sachs executive quits after making millions from Dogecoin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to understand is that, while many cryptocurrencies are completely worthless, some cryptocurrencies have solid reasons to exist. Your characterization of all cryptocurrencies as a ponzi scheme purely based on the fact that people buy it because they believe others will buy it later at a higher price is weak because that is how all monetary assets like gold operates. We take it because we believe others will al…

"I believe strongly that a monetary system that's provably scarce, programmable, completely decentralized, permission-less, trustless, higly divisible, borderless and very easy to transfer has the potential to revolutionize how we store value." But is adding massively to global carbon levels needlessly...

Why is this being downvoted? There needs to be a conversation about the inefficient energy usage of Bitcoin. Are we just going to ignore it?

Re: Goldman Sachs executive quits after making millions from Dogecoin

#139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Working class is anyone who needs to work to survive. The rest (middle class, salary etc) is all a distraction. Pitting poors against poors to leverage power. Either you have enough to live off of your investments 100% or you are working class.

So the millionaire that's spending $5,000 a week in rent and $50,000 a week to maintain his lifestyle—as it might be required by his job and expected by his peers—is working class? Sorry, it's your definition that is wrong. "Working class" doesn't mean "category of people that work." "When used non-academically in the United States, [...] it often refers to a section of society dependent on physical labour, especiall…

"Need" is the operative word.

Re: Goldman Sachs executive quits after making millions from Dogecoin

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies are in general productive goods. An investor may not care about decades of dividends ahead, but they are there . They are paid (in the long term) from value created, not just a FIFO bubble.

But the stock market is a secondary market, you exchange second hand titles, you are not an investor, so my point is that if people are just here to speculate on the value it’s not very different and the underlying doesn’t really matter.

If you own stock you are an investor who is invested in a business, in exactly the same way that someone who owns a restaurant or some business is invested in that business. There is no difference between owning a stock and owning a business.
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