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Goldman Sachs executive quits after making millions from Dogecoin

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Re: Goldman Sachs executive quits after making millions from Dogecoin

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No need to be jealous, since it's still the very early days for crypto in the grand scheme of things. It's far from having hit any of the real success metrics (much broader usage, significant % of wealth stored, transferred, etc). They may prove to be a lot more useful than you imagine and one thing for sure is they are here to stay at this point. The big difference compared to 2019 is that we had a Bitcoin halving i…

Everyone in crypto and sat on a 5x gain tells you its the "early days" because they can afford to lose 80% and still shrug it off. It's easy to be chipper right now. Go back to between early 2018 and early 2020 though and look at r/bitcoin and you'll see a bunch of people running themselves in to early graves with anxiety, following every twitch in the market and hyping up every news story about crypto to try and jus…

You have it the wrong way around: People who realized it’s still early days are making those returns.

Re: Goldman Sachs executive quits after making millions from Dogecoin

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No wealth was created or destroyed in the making of these millions, the millions simply changed hands. Think about that before purchasing a cryptocurrency. You're basically handing your money to an earlier "investor" in the hopes that a future "investor" will hand a greater amount to you. This is all there is to it.

Isn't that the case for pretty much all exchanges? How is that different than in the stock market?

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Re: Goldman Sachs executive quits after making millions from Dogecoin

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I wager once people have to start going back to work and all the free government money dries up, there will be a run on crypto to realize their gains en-masse, and this will trigger a massive wipe out for many latecomers. Frankly, cryptocurrency being invented and created was a huge mistake for society at large. I hope the comeuppance isn't super destructive outside of cryptocurrency circles.

> Frankly, cryptocurrency being invented and created was a huge mistake for society at large. I hope the comeuppance isn't super destructive outside of cryptocurrency circles. Satoshi Nakamoto did nothing wrong: hard to imagine, but Bitcoin started out as a crummy C++ GUI Windows application hosted on SourceForge and adopted almost exclusively by batshit insane people. It had no value: you could CPU mine it on any or…

I'm still not sure I agree that Satoshi did nothing wrong, per se. But I really appreciate what you're saying, as this does afford some separation of the art (Bitcoin and Co.) from the artist (Satoshi).

Satoshi (whether it be he, she, or they) went into creating Bitcoin intended as a peer to peer cash that was easy to spend and outside of government control. Unfortunately, at least in the case of Bitcoin, it has turned into this slow, unwieldy "commodity" that is now rebranded as digital gold.

Thanks for your perspective, atweiden.

Re: Goldman Sachs executive quits after making millions from Dogecoin

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The stock market has other mechanism of value creation, one of them that the company distributes dividends which is money outside the stock market. Companies also use it to fund themselves to grow. It is not a zero sum game. Crypto currency is a zero sum game and i think this is what OP was implyining.

> The stock market has other mechanism of value creation, one of them that the company distributes dividends which is money outside the stock market. I'm not sure I would describe high-flying tech stocks with no dividends, trading at 30-70 times earnings as much different. How many investors are really snapping up these stocks because they're sold on the 30+ year value proposition?

Some of us think Tesla or will dominate auto manufacturing.

Re: Goldman Sachs executive quits after making millions from Dogecoin

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No wealth was created or destroyed in the making of these millions, the millions simply changed hands. Think about that before purchasing a cryptocurrency. You're basically handing your money to an earlier "investor" in the hopes that a future "investor" will hand a greater amount to you. This is all there is to it.

Any scam could be defended this way. What does differentiate a scam from a legit investment ? Most cryptocurrencies are cartoon characters particularly tailored for gambling machines. I haven't seen a single use case other than enabling masses enter a massive pyramid scheme constantly manipulated in social media.

> What does differentiate a scam from a legit investment ?

that the reason someone might pay you more in the future must be "legitimate" - that is the asset can be independently valued to be worth more in the future.

Investment in shares is not a scam (mostly), even if they _never_ pay a dividend, as long as they earn a profit. Investment in gold, however, can be likened to a scam, as the value of gold only grows to as speculation, and not wealth creation.

Hard to say whether cryptos behaves as gold, as some crypto does have uses beyond being sold to someone else for a higher price.

Re: Goldman Sachs executive quits after making millions from Dogecoin

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No wealth was created or destroyed in the making of these millions, the millions simply changed hands. Think about that before purchasing a cryptocurrency. You're basically handing your money to an earlier "investor" in the hopes that a future "investor" will hand a greater amount to you. This is all there is to it.

You know this thing called gold. All you are doing is being an early investor in "gold" in the hopes that a future "investor" will hand a greater amount to you for the "gold". This is all there is to it.

Re: Goldman Sachs executive quits after making millions from Dogecoin

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> ultimately none of these cryptocurrencies are any more useful than they were in 2019 If you really think this, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Don‘t base your opinion on DOGE. There are plenty of cryptocureencies with actual use cases that provide value. I think it‘s pretty clear why you are convincing yourself of the opposite though: > having considered putting a tiny % of my portfolio in t…

Don‘t base your opinion on DOGE. There are plenty of cryptocureencies with actual use cases that provide value. It's entertaining to see how crypto pushers all hate dogecoin because it's a 'joke', yet the only real difference between it and countless other coins (say, bitcoin) is in its name. The dirty secret is that they are all bad jokes.

Again, you are making it abundantly clear that you did not actually inform yourself:

* smart contracts

* decentralized exchanges

* decentralized finance (lending, investing, etc)

* instant borderless value transfer

* actually HARD money

All of it trustless, permissionless, uncensorable, resilient, not controlled by a centralized entity, mathematically provable.

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I was under the impression that dividends were essentially forced value selloffs, given that stock prices drop the exact amount of the dividend the moment it is paid. How is value created during dividend payment?

Value is created by the company making profits. How it uses those profits, whether by paying out dividends, buying back stock, or investing in the business, is mostly irrelevant to the value creation part.

So, given that dividends are priced in to the value estimation by investors - which we have established is completely disconnected from actual value - and priced out once paid... it turns out that for exchanges, value is not very relevant?

Re: Goldman Sachs executive quits after making millions from Dogecoin

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> Crypto could easily be the largest pyramid scheme in history, I have zero interest in participating even if returns were guaranteed - that's not how I want to make money, I see no value being created in these "investments". Yes! Exactly! I have a friend who's doing well from crypto. He bought an NFT for $800 and it's not worth $8,000. Where is the (social) value in that? Except for the social experimentation this i…

What about people buying time pieces (watches)?

In the UK, watches, being mechanical in nature, are not subject to capital gains tax on any profits.

For this reason alone luxury collectable watches are a smart investment for diversification purposes for the ultra wealthy.

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