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Re: AWS drops bandwidth pricing

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Post by Joakal »

davidu wrote: post #19
Joakal wrote: post #17

Why is bandwidth pricing higher in Asia despite bandwidth rates there being among the highest in the world?

Your question answers itself. I really don't know how much more to add, but I'll try. Transit (bandwidth) costs more there because: 1) Networks peer much less openly. 2) This is mostly due to the presence of state-run monopoly telcos. 3) That's why BW costs more. 4) Therefore, it costs more for AMZN to get transit in Asia. 5) This is why it costs more for AWS customers to use bandwidth. 6) This is why it costs more f…

It's more expensive per mbps in USA compared to Asia [0].

[0] http://www.billshrink.com/blog/5787/internet-penetration-cos...

Edit: I'm assuming the data transfer rates apply to data leaving the data center in Japan -> Any computer, not USA region -> Japanese computer.

Re: AWS drops bandwidth pricing

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Post by mattgreenrocks »

abronte wrote: post #20
baltcode wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought most AWS IP addresses were blocked by most admins. Does any one have experience scraping using Amazon.

We have a pretty big e-commerce scraping project, and we don't really run into many problems regarding blacklisted ip's. There are a few sites who we get consistent bans from, but with elastic ip's it's pretty much a non-issue. I have yet to see a site that ban's all amazon ip's.

It is annoying when it happens and you're on something like Heroku.

Re: AWS drops bandwidth pricing

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Post by latch »

Joakal wrote: post #17

Why is bandwidth pricing higher in Asia despite bandwidth rates there being among the highest in the world?

In HK, I pay around $22/m (USD) for 100mbps. I can download from steam or apple at 5-6+ MB/s. I can download torrents at 10MB/sec. However, when I download overseas (which is most of the time), I might get 200KB/sec (unless it's from a serious player in CA).

The point? The high speed you hear about in Asia is a half truth. When you consider that some of the Internet doesn't exist here (Netflix, ...), high latency (for gaming) and geo-locked content (Kindle, ...), it's even less than a half truth.

Anyways, where NA has poor last-mile infrastructure, Asia has poor intercontinental infrastructure. It's currently a scarce resource, thus prices are high.

Re: AWS drops bandwidth pricing

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Post by davidu »

Joakal wrote: post #21
davidu wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your question answers itself. I really don't know how much more to add, but I'll try. Transit (bandwidth) costs more there because: 1) Networks peer much less openly. 2) This is mostly due to the presence of state-run monopoly telcos. 3) That's why BW costs more. 4) Therefore, it costs more for AMZN to get transit in Asia. 5) This is why it costs more for AWS customers to use bandwidth. 6) This is why it costs more f…

It's more expensive per mbps in USA compared to Asia [0]. [0] http://www.billshrink.com/blog/5787/internet-penetration-cos... Edit: I'm assuming the data transfer rates apply to data leaving the data center in Japan -> Any computer, not USA region -> Japanese computer.

That's not talking about transit -- that's talking about consumer Internet connections, which are surprisingly cheap despite the same monopoly infrastructure but largely due to government price controls.

That monopoly infrastructure, however, is what keeps outside providers from making inroads -- you don't see anyone but SingTel in Singapore, for instance. Or anyone besides Malaysia Telecom in Malaysia, or NTT / KDDI / etc. in Japan.

Re: AWS drops bandwidth pricing

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Post by davidu »

latch wrote: post #24
Joakal wrote: post #17

Why is bandwidth pricing higher in Asia despite bandwidth rates there being among the highest in the world?

In HK, I pay around $22/m (USD) for 100mbps. I can download from steam or apple at 5-6+ MB/s. I can download torrents at 10MB/sec. However, when I download overseas (which is most of the time), I might get 200KB/sec (unless it's from a serious player in CA). The point? The high speed you hear about in Asia is a half truth. When you consider that some of the Internet doesn't exist here (Netflix, ...), high latency (fo…

Asia has the intercontinental infrastructure, but the costs to connect are too high. SingTel, etc. all run monopolies that keep foreign networks out. Peering is a joke.

Re: AWS drops bandwidth pricing

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Post by Joakal »

davidu wrote: post #25
Joakal wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's more expensive per mbps in USA compared to Asia [0]. [0] http://www.billshrink.com/blog/5787/internet-penetration-cos... Edit: I'm assuming the data transfer rates apply to data leaving the data center in Japan -> Any computer, not USA region -> Japanese computer.

That's not talking about transit -- that's talking about consumer Internet connections, which are surprisingly cheap despite the same monopoly infrastructure but largely due to government price controls. That monopoly infrastructure, however, is what keeps outside providers from making inroads -- you don't see anyone but SingTel in Singapore, for instance. Or anyone besides Malaysia Telecom in Malaysia, or NTT / KDDI…

Ah, makes sense, sort of. If there's government price controls, why was the internet monopoly company still increasing bandwidth when they are already leaders in worldwide bandwidth?

Re: AWS drops bandwidth pricing

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Post by sjwright »

abronte wrote: post #20
baltcode wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought most AWS IP addresses were blocked by most admins. Does any one have experience scraping using Amazon.

We have a pretty big e-commerce scraping project, and we don't really run into many problems regarding blacklisted ip's. There are a few sites who we get consistent bans from, but with elastic ip's it's pretty much a non-issue. I have yet to see a site that ban's all amazon ip's.

I run http://whirlpool.net.au and I religiously check the Amazon EC2 forum announcements[1] for new IP ranges to ban.

[1] https://forums.aws.amazon.com/ann.jspa?annID=1030

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