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Is there any recourse that would force Facebook to comply?
Fine them 4% of their annual revenue.
80% of revenue would teach them better
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80% of revenue would teach them better
Sucking up 4% of revenue is catastrophic enough (that is probably double digits of profit). The goal of fines isn't to make be an extinction level event for a company.
In this case, plenty of us won't be shedding any tears.
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80% of revenue would teach them better
Sucking up 4% of revenue is catastrophic enough (that is probably double digits of profit). The goal of fines isn't to make be an extinction level event for a company.
> The goal of fines isn't to make be an extinction level event for a company.
Why not, out of curiosity? We don't make this distinction for low-income folks who get parking tickets. If you don't make them truly punitive why comply? It just gets factored into the cost of doing business.
Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules
#16Facebook already ignores the GDPR with total impunity ( https://ruben.verborgh.org/facebook/ ) so not surprised at all.
Is there any recourse that would force Facebook to comply?
The EU courts could go after any assets/companies associated with Facebook operating in the EU and basically dissolve them as bankrupt if they fail to pay their increasing fines.
Another venue is to go directly after Facebooks European customers and make it illegal for any company to pay Facebook for ads targeting European customers.
In the end this would force Facebook to abandon Europe and lead to local competitors taking over that market weakening Facebooks network effects in non-US markets.
this is an escalation and delaying game and so far facebook is banking on some political saving grace that probably wont come as well privacy is considered an human rights by European courts and not something an simple short term political majority can simply erase because it's convenient for some US megacorp.
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Is there any recourse that would force Facebook to comply?
Fine them 4% of their annual revenue.
Although significant, unfortunately I don't think 4% of revenue means as much as it should to Facebook specifically.
Facebook has a distinctly high profit ratio (2020 Facebook revenue was $85 billion, net income $29 billion), so 4% of revenue means a lot less to Facebook than other companies that GDPR restrains. 4% of their revenue is $3.4 billion which is 11% of their net income.
And the potential negative impact of Facebook's negligence in data handling is distinctly greater than other companies, Facebook collects far more data than most other companies and has access to far more personal data. They have somehow managed to convince a huge portion of the world's population to share a significant tap of data into their lives.
Re: Facebook will ignore data collection ban issued in Germany over WhatApp rules
#19Facebook already ignores the GDPR with total impunity ( https://ruben.verborgh.org/facebook/ ) so not surprised at all.
GDPR only applies to the EU anyway. They can't enforce GDPR in the US. Facebook can always just close their offices in Germany but still serve their website worldwide, and unless Germany wants to implement a firewall to the likes of China, it will be accessible to German residents. The US needs to implement an equivalent privacy law.
Yes, they can enforce whatever they want if the punishment is locking that company out of the EU, the largest internal market in the world. No multinational company wants to lose access to such a huge market.
The EU actually has a huge leverage to push things, it just chooses not to exercise that power most of the time.
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Is there any recourse that would force Facebook to comply?
block them via dns. most users that are on facebook probably do not know how to go around that block.
Are you suggesting that the German government try to prevent its citizens from using Facebook "for their own good"?