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Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

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Post by mynameishere »

WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #6

"Since we're not requiring vaccinations, will the company be paying a 5 million dollar life insurance policy for my family as beneficiaries? I'm fine dying but I like to put a price on my own life" This is what I would say if I worked at a place which actually wanted people to come back to the office.

On the contrary, OSHA all but nixed such requirements:

If you require your employees to be vaccinated as a condition of employment (i.e., for work-related reasons), then any adverse reaction to the COVID-19 vaccine is work-related.

https://www.natlawreview.com/article/osha-s-new-guidance-rec...

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

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Post by WrtCdEvrydy »

paiute wrote: post #7
WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #6

"Since we're not requiring vaccinations, will the company be paying a 5 million dollar life insurance policy for my family as beneficiaries? I'm fine dying but I like to put a price on my own life" This is what I would say if I worked at a place which actually wanted people to come back to the office.

So you're not vaccinated?

I am, but the organization isn't requiring it, so we can't guarantee herd immunity.

Edit: It's a moot point because the management are the ones driving the "safety above all, stay in your houses" strategy.

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

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Post by Ankintol »

I've watched several people go through this conversation after a company made this demand. For this to succeed it seems that you need to be indispensable, or be part of an organized group that is indispensable, to the highest person in your management chain who is demanding a return to the office (probably the CEO). If that person isn't aware you're indispensable, you will have to try to convince them.

Best of luck.

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Post by GiorgioG »

My company went from freezing remote hiring 2 years prior to COVID 19 (because they spent tens of millions on a new HQ) to "Hey if you want to work remote, do what's best for you - obviously we've proven it can work." Companies may become more flexible - especially if your line of work is in demand.

Just have a conversation with your manager "It's important to me that I can work remotely. What can you do?" If he/she says "Nothing, you have to come into the office" find another job.

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Post by chrisseaton »

WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #6

"Since we're not requiring vaccinations, will the company be paying a 5 million dollar life insurance policy for my family as beneficiaries? I'm fine dying but I like to put a price on my own life" This is what I would say if I worked at a place which actually wanted people to come back to the office.

> will the company be paying a 5 million dollar life insurance policy for my family as beneficiaries?

Isn't life insurance a standard part of employment benefits?

So, yes, they will be.

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

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Post by iovrthoughtthis »

1. the developer market is super hot right now, there are lots of jobs.

2. you seem a capable developer (i checked your personal website).

i would approach the relevant contact at the company and ask if you are needed at the office 100% or if there is room for another arrangement, perhaps coming in for key meetings or a few times a month.

if not, i would highly recommend looking for a job that supports you working as you’d like to work. if you can, take some holiday to look for and apply to job openings that allow remote work.

you are working in one of the best paid professions, there should be little need for you to stay and work somewhere that doesn’t support you working the best way for you.

trust your gut.

happy to help if i can.

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

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Post by aaronax »

WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #6

"Since we're not requiring vaccinations, will the company be paying a 5 million dollar life insurance policy for my family as beneficiaries? I'm fine dying but I like to put a price on my own life" This is what I would say if I worked at a place which actually wanted people to come back to the office.

Do you carry a normal $5,000,000 life insurance policy?

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

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Post by camhenlin »

It seems like nearly all tech companies these days are moving to fully remote hiring. Tell your manager that you’re staying remote indefinitely or you’ll be beginning the search for a new job. You’ve already had the last year to prove how productive of a remote worker you are. Bonus for you: tech industry salaries are on a massive upswing at the moment - if you do get a shiny new remote job, chances are you’ll also be able to grab a pretty sweet raise as well.
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