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Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

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Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

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I would like to know as well. Depending on the size of the company it may be easier to get special treatment. We’ve heard from top-down that we need to be back in the office and there’s been no special treatment given other than some allusions to a hybrid workweek compromise. The only way I think it would be possible at a large company would be to engage in some sort of wfh soft-strike collectively. With enough employees, leadership will listen. I think that if you don’t organize you’ll have to go along with the rest of the company. This is of course something dangerous to even discuss if you value your job.

On an individual level, JP Morgan will not let even their top employees wfh just because it will weaken their stance.

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

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I would like to know as well. Depending on the size of the company it may be easier to get special treatment. We’ve heard from top-down that we need to be back in the office and there’s been no special treatment given other than some allusions to a hybrid workweek compromise. The only way I think it would be possible at a large company would be to engage in some sort of wfh soft-strike collectively. With enough emplo…

> This is of course something dangerous to even discuss if you value your job.

If you cannot even talk about your work environment, that must be quite the dystopian workplace. Most decent places I've worked, that is one of the most common topics when talking to your boss. Maybe those talks don't go anywhere, but if it is a taboo topic, it might be better to work elsewhere.

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

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You can negotiate if you have leverage. Are you really good at what you do ? Are you able to show that wfh doesn't impact your performance and you are doing same or even better since wfh ? Are you trustworthy who knows how to get shit done and doesn't need to be supervised all the time ? If yes to most of these, you could talk to management and see what's possible. Otherwise, tough.

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

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"Since we're not requiring vaccinations, will the company be paying a 5 million dollar life insurance policy for my family as beneficiaries? I'm fine dying but I like to put a price on my own life"

This is what I would say if I worked at a place which actually wanted people to come back to the office.

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

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"Since we're not requiring vaccinations, will the company be paying a 5 million dollar life insurance policy for my family as beneficiaries? I'm fine dying but I like to put a price on my own life" This is what I would say if I worked at a place which actually wanted people to come back to the office.

So you're not vaccinated?

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

#8
You should make a decision tree.

eg is hybrid something you would be willing to do? Your boss? Your employer?

You're pretty junior, however, so I'm not sure you really have a strong position if you can't come to an agreement.

The best negotiating tactic is a job offer, though you don't need to threaten. just be prepared for them to say ok.

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

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I will be starting that conversation with my boss later this week. At the end of the day, I think the key thing is you need to be fully prepared to move on if negotiations fail and the current job doesn't deliver what you are after.

For myself, I have enough buffer and leads that I am confident I can get somewhere fully remote or at least closer to home before the savings get uncomfortably low, and so that's my red line now - one way or another, I'm not doing the two-hour commute again, it's simply not worth it; I'd rather take a pay cut to keep the life I've become used to over lockdown.

YMMV, but IMO if you're not prepared to move on and your boss senses this, the negotiation will end right there.

Re: Ask HN: How to negotiate continuing to work remotely?

#10
Good answers in your favor for following would help:

1. Are you / your team demonstrably as / more productive working remotely, compared to going into the office?

2. Does your company have a difficult time finding / retaining talent due to their policy against WFH?

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