What for is Babel? I know it's a transpiler, but who uses it now? Since I work with fronted, backend and JS (3 years now) I use only Typescript. Babel is like ancient technology for me. Should be deprecated soon, no need to clog the bandwidth.
Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?
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Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?
#592> we settled on $11,000 per month as a baseline salary for working full-time on open source. > For now, Nicolò, Henry, and Jùnliàng will all be paid a temporary rate of $6,000 per month. This doesn't solve the problem, I used to donate to Babel, before they made it apparent they are just interested in funneling the money to one developer. 11K per month?! That is absolutely bananas and same reaction I had the last tim…
Exactly, I thought the reason that US developers are so highly paid compared to everywhere else in the world was to offset the high cost of living in silicon valley. $132,000 is almost double my salary is the UK. They could easily get 2 full time UK devs for that, or even more in many EU countries with lower cost of living
You folks are horribly, horribly underpaid over there.
$130k is the kind of money a reasonably experienced developer can get in southern New Hampshire, or Ohio, or Arkansas.
Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?
#593Savage of Sebastian to call out Henry like that on twitter. Are you on drugs or something? https://twitter.com/sebmck/status/1392019586833387522 Publicly accusing Henry of not actually working on the project seems short sighted. Only looking at a one year slice of contribution rather than the lifetime of the project masks the full picture of Henry's contributions. Also in Henry's defense, the past year has been a ter…
He is levying accusations that money is, effectively, being stolen. That is not polite but if he genuinely believes it to be true, you are suggesting he remain quiet instead?
He is welcome to open a channel with Babel privately and, if unaddressed, make a proper statement about it. Blasting someone by using GitHub contributions as KPI on Twitter is highly unprofessional and awful behaviour
Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?
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> Jesus. Maybe I am old-school, but if you have a disagreement or someone isn't holding themselves to a standard, you don't take it to Twitter to signal to in-crowd. Not saying I disagree, but, in your words, what's bad with taking it to Twitter?
Going to Twitter is akin to having a disagreement at work, standing up and shouting across the whole office at the person you disagree with. I haven't been in an office in awhile, is that what people do nowadays?
... No. At least not where I work.
Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?
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Guy is pretty young (created babel in high school I read) so maybe that's part of it. I find that the older I get the more empathy I have.
Wow, that’s amazing. Right on regarding empathy and age/experience. No one is really an awful person. Just petty drama...
Mismanaging hundreds of thousands of dollars of charitable contributions goes a bit beyond petty drama in my opinion.
Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?
#596This whole thread is basically a testament as to why the OSS model, unfortunately, is broken. Very competent people are expected to write widely used software for a salary that basically merely guarantees subsistence. It never ceases to amaze me how great software engineers allow themselves to be exploited in such a way. If you consider the societal impact that some of these projects have and the skill set that some…
Just license your software under the GPL, then corporations can't take and use it without contributing back. It's hard for me to feel sympathetic for people who deliberately sign up for a model that encourages free-riding and then complain about it.
What exactly would the benefit of licencing a tool like Babel under GPL be? It would be completely moot. Using a GPL transpiler isn't going to confer GPL virally onto the code that you run through it.
Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?
#597See what creator of Babel has to say >Babel used by millions, so why are we running out of money? Bluntly: Because funds were misallocated for years, and the project has been too slow to improve. >The reason there's no money is because someone took a $130k annual salary and didn't actually work on the project. https://twitter.com/sebmck/status/1392019586833387522 - So donating money because of this post may not be a…
> >The reason there's no money is because someone took a $130k annual salary and didn't actually work on the project. https://twitter.com/sebmck/status/1392019586833387522 I can't seem to see this tweet any more. Did it get deleted?
Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?
#598See what creator of Babel has to say >Babel used by millions, so why are we running out of money? Bluntly: Because funds were misallocated for years, and the project has been too slow to improve. >The reason there's no money is because someone took a $130k annual salary and didn't actually work on the project. https://twitter.com/sebmck/status/1392019586833387522 - So donating money because of this post may not be a…
Screenshot of deleted tweet: https://i.imgur.com/ai6ntjt.png
Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?
#599Earlier quoted context omitted.
Evan You[0] has over 4x more contributions than Henry Zhu[1] this year. Evan's absolutely correct, there's a lot of 'invisible' community activity, but in my experience of OSS, it's typical to have a 'contribution' on GitHub every day, which is missing in the case of a Babel maintainer who's being paid $130k/y Let's compare to the other maintainers: [2][3][4][5][6]. Contribution counts aren't and shouldn't be everyth…
You can send a PR with 1 million lines of code, or 3 lines of code. You can send PRs updating typos in documentation, or PRs affecting the core aspects of a project. You can send 100 PRs full of tech debt or 1 that makes the thing run 100x faster. PR counts suck as a way to measure work.
It's the new LoC metric...
Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?
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Honestly the very idea of a JavaScript compiler like that is destined for obsolescence per standardized features added to browsers. Folks should just develop their own shims where necessary and TEST AGAINST VARIOUS BROWSERS. Sure no one likes doing that, but it’s important to follow the fast-pace ECMAScript adoption.
babel is a transpiler, which is more than just a way to shim shim features in browsers.
You might call it a tanspiler and technically it IS. But the Babel homepage calls it a compiler.
In any case, for the plethora of down voters: Babel states: “Use next generation JavaScript, today”
At some point next gen == current gen, and therefor given enough stability, Babel becomes obsolete.
Folks, donate to Mozilla instead they actually move things forward not backward.