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> consumers are imposing it on themselves willingly Without reasonable alternative and without consent is like a LEO version of 'willing'.

I never own a tv, I don’t plan to own one ever.

I tossed out my OTA TV in 1992. I've never had Cable TV.

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Nothing. I just realize that as I age, there's only so much a single person can do ;)

I would definitely spend time and money contributing to a "Universal Dumb Display" (UDD?) Consider making this a kickstarter!

I agree, Kickstarter seems the way to go!

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To you and all the people replying to you: have you actually searched for this already? Sounds like a lot of MOM Test fails in here. For example, [1]. [1] https://helpatmyhome.com/best-non-smart-tv/

MOM test?

Maybe this? https://www.amazon.com/Mom-Test-customers-business-everyone/...

You shouldn't ask your mom about the viability of an idea because she will be biased towards thinking good things about you (and your ideas). Similarly (sort of...), Hacker News will be biased towards wanting your product and not say anything bad about it.

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If anyone is interested, I wouldn't mind collaborating to create a privacy oriented SmartTV or PC for devs or simply an industrial grade dumb TV. I have experience designing and building 70" industrial displays that utilize Samsung LCD panels. These "industrial" panels are normally twice the price of consumer grade ones but are designed to operate 24/7 with a MTBF of 100k hours (approx. 11 years) and are usually twic…

I think there’s a market for this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26290427 “Make it OLED, dumb TV, instant on, Apple TV box plugs in. Separate box with front facing ports that connects to screen with one cable. A remote designed by someone who thought about it for ten seconds (why do modern TVs have dozens of buttons no one ever uses?). This entire market is in desperate need of someone to make something decent…

I think the market for this product is very small.

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#565

So, if I buy a so called Smart-TV (not because I like it but because traditional ones are getting harder to find) but don't set up it on my home network so it can't phone home, it could scan around anyway and find other open devices more than willing to participate in my personal data exfiltration? If the Amazon project succeeds, I would expect in a few months most home devices manufacturers, to partner to implement…

If data from TVs is so valuable, manufacturers will just include 5G modem and phone home directly. This isn’t tech problem. This is legal and regulatory issue.

This is totally plausible and I imagine some manufacturers will try it. Alternatively they can simply make the TV not work unless it has been connected to WiFi...I believe there may already be some sets that do this.

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It's not OLED, also looks pretty cheap? I don't want a crappy, cheap, panel with no smart features. I want a premium panel without smart features. Think like Apple Pro Cinema Display in TV form.

Exactly. That's my biggest struggle with finding a TV these days. I want to make sure that the networking functionality is what I attached to it, not something built into the TV that I have no way of possibly disabling or removing entirely. With some of the relatively recent PiHole posts, it's become clear that some of these smart TVs are including some level of DNS resolution on their end to get around ad blocking f…

As I commented below in another thread: If the demand is high enough, a custom controller can be developed to match controller on-board Apple Pro XDR while keeping the price point significantly cheaper.

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#568

So - Amazon want to use 1/40th of my internet bandwidth. Along with that goes 1/40th of the electric that the router and broadband modem use. Then there were the costs for me setting up my own infrastructure with my own money. At this point, I would expect Amazon to PAY me to use my infrastructure - not get it for free. After all, they won't send parcels to me without me paying for them? This is a bad BAD idea. It wi…

Helium (HNT) is a competitor in this space, and does pay out (in their crypto token of course, though it has been doing very well lately). We have one at my house, and it has been making several thousand a month in tokens.

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They are oftentimes way more expense, I'm guessing because you aren't subsidizing the cost with your data.

No, your average home tv is not designed to run 24/7. These Digital Signage Monitors are supposed to do this. Try running your average costumer tv 24/7 for half a year and see how the color & sharpness is. Also they are repairable (normally).

Sharpness? How does sharpness go down on an LCD panel??

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I think it's a neat idea, but I don't like the precedence of "Ring" devices sharing video with law enforcement in a way that doesn't require warrants, or deleting the video after some time period, etc. I guess I'll disable this on my network since I don't want to aid that process.
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