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Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?

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Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?

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Post by beaconstudios »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #433
wussboy wrote: post #401

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When that “carpenter” is also answering the phone and doing quotes for work, apparently. If Henry is also the community manager and main fundraiser (which from the sounds of other posts he is), I’d argue that the last thing you’d want him spending time on would be code.

If he was a smaller fraction of the work force, that would make sense. But if you have a single full-time worker who is receiving about 2/3 of the payroll budget, I'd argue that you can't afford for them to spend most of their hours on business stuff.

Business stuff is what pays the bills. You can't have 2/3 of the work force just merging PRs and find out 6 months later that nobody paid the taxes and you won't be bringing in enough money to make payroll next month.

Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?

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Post by no_wizard »

easton wrote: post #298
tehnicaorg wrote: post #293

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149€, third year onwards, individual use

But the individual license can be used at work, it just can’t be transferred to another person since it’s licensed to you.

It’s a smart model I have to say. I continue to use JetBrains no matter where I work and I take the cost of the sub as a business expense on my taxes and get a deduction, so it in the long run costs even less

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Post by rk06 »

tarruda wrote: post #216
tren wrote: post #154

Can someone explain to me what I'm missing with regards to how much they're currently earning? Looking at their base support sponsors (of which there are 4), they are each paying a minimum of $24,000 each ($96,000/year). There are 5 gold sponsors of at least $1000/month ($60,000/year) and 24 silver sponsors of at least $500/month ($120,000/year). That's already $276K without including the bronze/backer tiers.

If you split by 3 full time devs, that's more 90k/year which allows for a decent living in most places. Probably not enough for San Francisco though.

there are 4 devs, so 69k per year.

I don't how it is in USA. but that's less than your 90k/year figure by a significant amount

Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?

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Post by danielsju6 »

bspammer wrote: post #467
danielsju6 wrote: post #412

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You realize that $11k has to pay their taxes, healthcare, and retirement state-side right? It’s peanuts.

The median salary in the US is a quarter of that. It’s not luxury yacht money, but calling it “peanuts” is ridiculous.

Most folk in the US are on poverty wages, one surprise bill away from bankruptcy or homelessness; we shouldn’t expect OSS maintainers to fall on the sword and rely on inter generational wealth or live in poverty when their colleagues, using their software, at big companies are making (what used to be considered) middle class wages.

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Post by anon98356 »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #357
anon98356 wrote: post #288

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Does that figure take into account cost of living? When I left NZ 6 years ago it wasn't a cheap place to live.

220k is sweet as in NZ even if you're living in Wellington or Auckland.

Yeh I'm sure 220k is a great salary for NZ. But in terms of purchasing power, how does it compare to $70k-£80k in the UK (I don't know, as I said haven't lived in NZ for 6 years)? I'd also be interested to know how common it is to be on 200k+ as a dev in NZ

(edit: spelling/grammar)

Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?

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Post by 6gvONxR4sf7o »

franciscop wrote: post #432
eplanit wrote: post #390

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It's like measuring a carpenter by how many nails they've driven per day.

This is a bit ridiculous on the other direction. It's like your main job is putting nails, and at the end of the year you have only put 29 nails. Sure, nails per day is not the best metric, but if in one year building furniture you only put 29 nails in total it's definitely not a good outlook for your productivity.

Last time I ever squash commits, reading this discussion.

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Post by WORMS_EAT_WORMS »

nsonha wrote: post #493
WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #439

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Jesus. Maybe I am old-school, but if you have a disagreement or someone isn't holding themselves to a standard, you don't take it to Twitter to signal to in-crowd. Yes, even when it's a publicly funded open-source dev-tool. Just the usual immature behavior of super-genius developers who have no concept of professionalism since any company in the world will write them a yearly check of infinite money. Out-of-touch, kn…

Guy is pretty young (created babel in high school I read) so maybe that's part of it. I find that the older I get the more empathy I have.

Wow, that’s amazing. Right on regarding empathy and age/experience. No one is really an awful person. Just petty drama...

Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?

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Post by [deleted] »

nsonha wrote: post #493
WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #439

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Jesus. Maybe I am old-school, but if you have a disagreement or someone isn't holding themselves to a standard, you don't take it to Twitter to signal to in-crowd. Yes, even when it's a publicly funded open-source dev-tool. Just the usual immature behavior of super-genius developers who have no concept of professionalism since any company in the world will write them a yearly check of infinite money. Out-of-touch, kn…

Guy is pretty young (created babel in high school I read) so maybe that's part of it. I find that the older I get the more empathy I have.

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Post by drw85 »

oneepic wrote: post #450
MangoCoffee wrote: post #396

this is why i preferred Corporation backed open source project like Microsoft's VS code. MSFT fund it. no drama.

Yes, instead MSFT has quite a few dead/"reprioritized" projects. That drama probably happened internally, you just didn't see it play out in a bunch of tweets. I'm not sure many strong/passionate people outside MSFT feel motivated to contribute to MSFT open source. Especially to do work that someone already gets paid for, and might get a huge bonus from their boss if the project is a success. I would argue non-corp-b…

Many OS projects get contributions from people using them at work.

They use their work time paid for by their employer to report or fix bugs that they encountered while using them in development.

Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?

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Post by WORMS_EAT_WORMS »

mindfulmore wrote: post #497
phpnode wrote: post #374

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I think this is a really bad look for Sebastian. He started babel and made the most contributions overall, but he hasn't been involved in the project for 5 years at this point. He left to join Facebook and babel would have died if it weren't for the efforts of Logan, Henry, Nicolo and the other contributors. The original post on the babel website was written in response to him investigating the babel funding situatio…

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> $130k in the United States is a joke

You are out of touch my friend.

I think you can cool it on the anger here too. It’s not helpful.

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