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Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?

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Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?

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Here's [0] a blunt take on the situation by Sebastian McKenzie, who left Babel to start Rome Tools. He blames the full time salary of Henry, who he doesn't think contributed enough. [0] https://twitter.com/sebmck/status/1392019586833387522

And a rebuttal by Evan You, absolutely torching Seb for being a massive hypocrite https://twitter.com/youyuxi/status/1392096427313147908

Interestingly, the article mentions that Evan was an inspiration/mentor for Henry.

Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?

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post #372

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Can you imagine taking a job at his startup. You have a bad week, run into a hard problem and start to sweat that your commit log isn't full enough.

It's like measuring a carpenter by how many nails they've driven per day.

This is a bit ridiculous on the other direction. It's like your main job is putting nails, and at the end of the year you have only put 29 nails. Sure, nails per day is not the best metric, but if in one year building furniture you only put 29 nails in total it's definitely not a good outlook for your productivity.

Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?

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It's like measuring a carpenter by how many nails they've driven per day.

When that “carpenter” is also answering the phone and doing quotes for work, apparently. If Henry is also the community manager and main fundraiser (which from the sounds of other posts he is), I’d argue that the last thing you’d want him spending time on would be code.

If he was a smaller fraction of the work force, that would make sense. But if you have a single full-time worker who is receiving about 2/3 of the payroll budget, I'd argue that you can't afford for them to spend most of their hours on business stuff.

Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?

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post #298

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149€, third year onwards, individual use

But the individual license can be used at work, it just can’t be transferred to another person since it’s licensed to you.

And you can't be reimbursed for it in any way.

Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?

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I think this is a really bad look for Sebastian. He started babel and made the most contributions overall, but he hasn't been involved in the project for 5 years at this point. He left to join Facebook and babel would have died if it weren't for the efforts of Logan, Henry, Nicolo and the other contributors. The original post on the babel website was written in response to him investigating the babel funding situatio…

Based on his track record (he did the same thing after departing Yarn), I'd say that's a definite risk. Unstable ground, to be sure.

May I have a link to his departure from Yarn?

Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?

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See what creator of Babel has to say >Babel used by millions, so why are we running out of money? Bluntly: Because funds were misallocated for years, and the project has been too slow to improve. >The reason there's no money is because someone took a $130k annual salary and didn't actually work on the project. https://twitter.com/sebmck/status/1392019586833387522 - So donating money because of this post may not be a…

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Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?

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This seems to be overlooked, I was wondering why the original author is no longer involved. Babel, Rome, Deno, are all transpilers the tech isn't as unique as it once was. Things come and go in JS land, and Babel will go the way of Dodo.js

Deno is a full server-side JavaScript VM - it doesn't even solve the same problem as Babel...

Technically Deno supports TS and I assume that is a transpilation step to JS. Not sure if they use TSC or their own “compiler” however. But it is baked into Deno at some point.

Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?

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There’s an insane wage gap between tech in US and the rest of the world.

Keep in mind that many other countries have socialized medicine and a better nationalized retirement program. We pay for those and, because of our system, they are very expensive.

employees here have employer sponsored healthcare. The gap is huge even if you take out of pocket expenses into account.

Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?

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See what creator of Babel has to say >Babel used by millions, so why are we running out of money? Bluntly: Because funds were misallocated for years, and the project has been too slow to improve. >The reason there's no money is because someone took a $130k annual salary and didn't actually work on the project. https://twitter.com/sebmck/status/1392019586833387522 - So donating money because of this post may not be a…

I think this is a really bad look for Sebastian. He started babel and made the most contributions overall, but he hasn't been involved in the project for 5 years at this point. He left to join Facebook and babel would have died if it weren't for the efforts of Logan, Henry, Nicolo and the other contributors. The original post on the babel website was written in response to him investigating the babel funding situatio…

Jesus. Maybe I am old-school, but if you have a disagreement or someone isn't holding themselves to a standard, you don't take it to Twitter to signal to in-crowd.

Yes, even when it's a publicly funded open-source dev-tool.

Just the usual immature behavior of super-genius developers who have no concept of professionalism since any company in the world will write them a yearly check of infinite money.

Out-of-touch, know-it-all.

Edit: I reread this. Adding that no one is perfect, everyone slips up, loses perspective, pouts/whines, etc... We are all human and remember a single angry tweet thread does not define a person. Twitter is toxic signal-fest that brings out the worst in people right or wrong. Cheers!

Re: Babel is used by millions, so why are we running out of money?

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Looking at the the commit activity of some maintainers, that seems to be correct: 7 commits in a year: https://github.com/babel/babel/commits?author=hzoo&since=202... $110k invoiced: https://opencollective.com/left_pad/transactions

Back when I was a senior programmer I would probably have had as few credited code changes as that. But what you wouldn't see are the hundreds of problems I debugged and analysed for other programmers , down to the level of "make this change on line 530".

This is an open source project, if those discussions were happening they'd still be largely visible as contributions on github.
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