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Post by tyleo »

ravel-bar-foo wrote: post #298
mikefivedeuce wrote: post #283

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This might be out of date now, but 10 years ago I purchased a couple of monitors for a digital display. IIRC the monitors were more expensive because the screen wouldn't "burn" in images if left on the same image for a long period of time.

This is significant. Current OLEDs at full luminance burn in within 100 hours. The problem is mitigated somewhat by the variety of details displayed during typical TV programming, but if you use an OLED TV as a daily driver computer monitor or with a gaming system to play the same games for hours you will notice burn-in quickly.

I have an OLED TV and after thousands of hours of use, sometimes hundreds on a single game, there is no burn-in. However, I do not set the TV to full brightness.

Edit: I suspect an OLED digital sign WOULD burn in though as I imagine that content is much more static and displayed many more hours per day. I just wanted to make the point that I do not fear OLED for common consumer use cases.

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Post by vinay_ys »

vel0city wrote: post #328
rfrey wrote: post #303

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I don't believe for a second that data is subsidizing anything. It's a revenue stream, sure, but prices haven't gone down as data collection went up.

Prices haven't gone down? So before smart TV's were a thing 70" 4K TVs could be had for $650?

That's the usual price drop as these SKUs achieved mass market and got economies of scale.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

smichel17 wrote: post #330
giancarlostoro wrote: post #322

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None of that actually refutes the parent commentators concerns though. That's what its designed for sure, but his concern is what if it is taken further down the road? It's a speculative question sure, but there is nothing wrong with asking it.

Parent comment was tongue in cheek.

Well I apparently have not drank enough coffee this morning.

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Post by ttul »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #169
vhanda wrote: post #134

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Maybe the future is having some kind of Faraday cage around your devices. Or maybe even around the house. This might be possible in apartments.

A faraday cage around a TV kind of defeats the point. Although it would improve some films a great deal :-) I think this has to get sorted out in the wash with regulation. If you collect data about someone, it needs to be treated at HIPPAA levels of paranoia. That just makes so much of this rubbish go away. It might increase the costs of TVs. Certainly there are many areas of global markets that have incredible deep…

Perhaps people will start covering their homes in copper mesh.

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Post by FroshKiller »

wdn wrote: post #320
FroshKiller wrote: post #266

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I'd rather be protected by regulation than pay more for what I shouldn't have to pay for in the first place.

When was the last time regulation protects anything? The Security Act of 1934 created the SEC and look at the past 20 or so years and see how many scandals has happened under their watch. All big players. Look at Madoff. Whisper blower after whisper blower to the SEC and what did SEC do? They looked the other way.

You're not engaging in good faith, but I'll offer this: I have not died of botulism thanks to regulation.

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Post by vinay_ys »

tw04 wrote: post #291
danpalmer wrote: post #162

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"Dumb TVs" would cost more. It's hard to market something that costs more and has what most people would perceive to be fewer features. They would cost more because post-sale content sales and advertising generate revenue for TV manufacturers, which they use to subsidise the device sale price, because it's such a competitive, low-margin, market.

That seems extremely unlikely. The "smart" portion is hundreds of dollars in most TVs. A quick search proves that out: https://www.cdw.com/product/Samsung-40-Full-HD-Non-Smart-Hos... https://www.cdw.com/product/samsung-hg40nf690gf-nf690-series...

The bill of materials for the "smart" parts in a smart tv costs less than $20-$30 US. Nothing more than that.

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Post by nine_k »

tw04 wrote: post #291
danpalmer wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Dumb TVs" would cost more. It's hard to market something that costs more and has what most people would perceive to be fewer features. They would cost more because post-sale content sales and advertising generate revenue for TV manufacturers, which they use to subsidise the device sale price, because it's such a competitive, low-margin, market.

That seems extremely unlikely. The "smart" portion is hundreds of dollars in most TVs. A quick search proves that out: https://www.cdw.com/product/Samsung-40-Full-HD-Non-Smart-Hos... https://www.cdw.com/product/samsung-hg40nf690gf-nf690-series...

I suppose that the smart part's hardware is below $10, it's not much more advanced than a RPi. OK, $20 if it includes a decent camera for video calls.

But its presence can be sold for a hundred more, because the consumers apparently... want these features? Things like YouTube, Netflix, video calls, etc. And, of course, voice control.

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Post by austincheney »

smackeyacky wrote: post #185
austincheney wrote: post #110

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My answer is a home projector. It’s not 4K but it’s cheap and puts out a great display. It’s also just a projector without any applications or network access.

Yeah but the instant you plug in a chromecast to watch netflix or disney+ they got you. Blu rays are drying up at an alarming rate, at least it feels that way.

That tracking is limited by account and/or access device. It is not bound to the display. I use a Roku and who knows what data they share with the channel providers, but at this time I doubt they are giving unfettered network access, outside of content request/response, to the channel providers.
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