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Re: Amazon Sidewalk

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Post by mandelbrotwurst »

beshrkayali wrote: post #150
mgr86 wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: I was wrong. Please disregard this comment. Someone links the comment below. And the sub thread that I remember being removed appears to still be present. —— I commented the other week about enjoying my LG oled smart tv. Someone mentioned what about the evesdropping. (Which I’m aware of) and it started a small thread of people discussing that. These replies were removed about 24-48 hours later. I found it odd t…

I run pihole on my network. I monitored requests made from my tv and blocked the ones to LG one by one.

That’s a great move and I applaud you and also I wonder whether LG would start disabling TVs unable to get their requests through if they noticed a critical mass of them doing that.

“We noticed you’re using an ad-blocker” ...

Re: Amazon Sidewalk

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Post by oflannabhra »

rolandr wrote: post #96
rubatuga wrote: post #11

Please don’t support Amazon from creating another network-effect product that creates vendor lock-in, and privacy issues. Convenience should not be the end-all goal, as the ad blatantly states, but instead interoperability and open-protocols.

I generally agree, but on the other hand, from a consumer perspective IoT devices have and continue to be particularly inconvenient. After 15 or so years of IoT devices, what do we have that resembles interoperability or open protocols? Maybe Zigbee? Instead, it seems that each IoT device is a one-off effort by a very small team, and that networking is the part where you cross your fingers, close your eyes, and hold…

Thread and CHiP

Re: Amazon Sidewalk

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Post by kristofferR »

rolandr wrote: post #96
rubatuga wrote: post #11

Please don’t support Amazon from creating another network-effect product that creates vendor lock-in, and privacy issues. Convenience should not be the end-all goal, as the ad blatantly states, but instead interoperability and open-protocols.

I generally agree, but on the other hand, from a consumer perspective IoT devices have and continue to be particularly inconvenient. After 15 or so years of IoT devices, what do we have that resembles interoperability or open protocols? Maybe Zigbee? Instead, it seems that each IoT device is a one-off effort by a very small team, and that networking is the part where you cross your fingers, close your eyes, and hold…

> After 15 or so years of IoT devices, what do we have that resembles interoperability or open protocols?

Thread is what you are talking about. It's awesome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_(network_protocol)

Re: Amazon Sidewalk

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Post by ImprobableTruth »

fastball wrote: post #102
ehnto wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The customer isn't the last say in what is good for a society or economy, if Amazon puts a moat around IoT that's thousands of companies, products, employees, and unknown innovation all either gone completely or sucked up into Amazon.

How does this put a moat around IoT? This is creating a network that didn't previously exist. How does that hurt innovation? If you don't want to be a part of this network you can just... continue what you were doing before. Now at least there is an option.

It's literally the same issue as with zero-rating. It's a new "option", but not having it will mean your product has a massive disadvantage.

Re: Amazon Sidewalk

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Post by smackeyacky »

austincheney wrote: post #110
squarefoot wrote: post #50

So, if I buy a so called Smart-TV (not because I like it but because traditional ones are getting harder to find) but don't set up it on my home network so it can't phone home, it could scan around anyway and find other open devices more than willing to participate in my personal data exfiltration? If the Amazon project succeeds, I would expect in a few months most home devices manufacturers, to partner to implement…

My answer is a home projector. It’s not 4K but it’s cheap and puts out a great display. It’s also just a projector without any applications or network access.

Yeah but the instant you plug in a chromecast to watch netflix or disney+ they got you. Blu rays are drying up at an alarming rate, at least it feels that way.

Re: Amazon Sidewalk

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Post by larrydag »

This leads to a question. How many other smart device things have a created a mesh network without the owner knowing? Is there a way to detect such networks? I'm actually giving Amazon a break here because at least they are announcing it.

Re: Amazon Sidewalk

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Post by mgr86 »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #149
mgr86 wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit: I was wrong. Please disregard this comment. Someone links the comment below. And the sub thread that I remember being removed appears to still be present. —— I commented the other week about enjoying my LG oled smart tv. Someone mentioned what about the evesdropping. (Which I’m aware of) and it started a small thread of people discussing that. These replies were removed about 24-48 hours later. I found it odd t…

Removed from HN? I have some doubts. It’s not impossible but I don’t think HN’s reputation would survive if they’re removing comments in service to … anyone else. Edit: this[1] looks like what you’re talking about. Has anything been removed (by HN) from this conversation? 1 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26996739

Thank you! I am going to edit my original comment, but I was completely wrong. I see the conversation that I thought was deleted. My mistake.

Re: Amazon Sidewalk

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Post by kevingadd »

em-bee wrote: post #159
Havoc wrote: post #9

I wouldn't mind opening up even higher b/w wifi. I've got way more than needed so seed linux distros all day long anyway ...however if someone does something illegal with it that'll still trace back to my IP and police will kick down my door, correct?

on the contrary, if all the devices do that, then you have plausible deniability. they can no longer pin anything on you because it could be a neighbor or even someone out on the street. the details depend on the country i guess, but at least in some countries there needs to be evidence that it was you before they can do anything. there was a case where someone was approached for sharing movies. as soon as the author…

Plausible deniability doesn't actually mean anything unless your highly-paid lawyer (you're rich, right?) can convince the judge. The scenario where some random stranger does an illegal thing on your network by hijacking Amazon's network is a bit far-fetched compared to the most common obvious case (you did it), so you'll have to work hard to convince them that's the actual explanation.

Re: Amazon Sidewalk

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Post by danpalmer »

fctorial wrote: post #170
danpalmer wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Dumb TVs" would cost more. It's hard to market something that costs more and has what most people would perceive to be fewer features. They would cost more because post-sale content sales and advertising generate revenue for TV manufacturers, which they use to subsidise the device sale price, because it's such a competitive, low-margin, market.

It isn't hard to market something that costs more and lacks a flaw.

This is why I saw "what most people consider". It's easy to market this to HN but most people don't know or care about this sort of control over their devices.

Re: Amazon Sidewalk

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Post by [deleted] »

mgr86 wrote: post #140
squarefoot wrote: post #50

So, if I buy a so called Smart-TV (not because I like it but because traditional ones are getting harder to find) but don't set up it on my home network so it can't phone home, it could scan around anyway and find other open devices more than willing to participate in my personal data exfiltration? If the Amazon project succeeds, I would expect in a few months most home devices manufacturers, to partner to implement…

Edit: I was wrong. Please disregard this comment. Someone links the comment below. And the sub thread that I remember being removed appears to still be present. —— I commented the other week about enjoying my LG oled smart tv. Someone mentioned what about the evesdropping. (Which I’m aware of) and it started a small thread of people discussing that. These replies were removed about 24-48 hours later. I found it odd t…

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