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Re: Amazon Sidewalk

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Post by adreamingsoul »

walrus01 wrote: post #85
squarefoot wrote: post #50

So, if I buy a so called Smart-TV (not because I like it but because traditional ones are getting harder to find) but don't set up it on my home network so it can't phone home, it could scan around anyway and find other open devices more than willing to participate in my personal data exfiltration? If the Amazon project succeeds, I would expect in a few months most home devices manufacturers, to partner to implement…

Coming soon, YouTube video guides on how to locate the rf ICs on the motherboard of your smart tv, and take a Dremel cutting disk to the section of the PCB that has the copper traces for the antenna.

Most have a dedicated WiFi board that is separate from everything else.

Re: Amazon Sidewalk

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

rubatuga wrote: post #11

Please don’t support Amazon from creating another network-effect product that creates vendor lock-in, and privacy issues. Convenience should not be the end-all goal, as the ad blatantly states, but instead interoperability and open-protocols.

Lol u kidding bro I need to check my IG notifications!1

Re: Amazon Sidewalk

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Post by chaz6 »

This is just the beginning of more pervasive tracking. If my neighbours both have echos, it will be a lot more likely that any products I have can be tracked. As more and more products have cheap lower power tags, even something as cheap as a tin of beans can ultimately tracked.

Re: Amazon Sidewalk

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Post by PurpleFoxy »

walrus01 wrote: post #85
squarefoot wrote: post #50

So, if I buy a so called Smart-TV (not because I like it but because traditional ones are getting harder to find) but don't set up it on my home network so it can't phone home, it could scan around anyway and find other open devices more than willing to participate in my personal data exfiltration? If the Amazon project succeeds, I would expect in a few months most home devices manufacturers, to partner to implement…

Coming soon, YouTube video guides on how to locate the rf ICs on the motherboard of your smart tv, and take a Dremel cutting disk to the section of the PCB that has the copper traces for the antenna.

And then the tv bricks when it can’t access the network for 10 days.

Re: Amazon Sidewalk

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Post by satori99 »

adreamingsoul wrote: post #106
satori99 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing stopping TV manufacturers from putting a 3/4G modem in their products. The billing is likely insignificant compared to the value of the data they can exfiltrate.

Well there is a cost and the challenge of having to deal with all the various carriers across the world. Wifi is mostly universal.

If Amazon Kindles can do it, it's probably not too hard for the likes of LG, Samsung, or Sony either.

Re: Amazon Sidewalk

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Post by Spare_account »

FartyMcFarter wrote: post #74
Spare_account wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I hope they inform their customers that filming and recording public spots or other people's houses in Europe requires advertising the presence of CCTV and adhering to data protection laws. I live in the EU and have a camera on the front of my garage, pointing at the street and partially covering my opposite neighbour's house. I'd like to understand more about which rules I need to adhere to, I was unaware of this.…

Here are a few links as a starting point: https://ico.org.uk/your-data-matters/domestic-cctv-systems-g... https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=e5486933-1806... https://www.netatmo.com/en-gb/guides/security/burglary/regul...

Thanks!

Re: Amazon Sidewalk

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

BrentOzar wrote: post #4

"when you share your Bridge’s connection with Sidewalk, total monthly data used by Sidewalk, per account, is capped at 500MB" Given that it's US-only, where most internet plans have pretty high caps, it's hard for me to get upset about this. I would have expected my Echoes alone to use more than that during normal monthly operation, playing music, fetching news, etc.

Per there account or per mine? I can rotate MAC address pretty easily

Re: Amazon Sidewalk

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Post by satori99 »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #100
satori99 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing stopping TV manufacturers from putting a 3/4G modem in their products. The billing is likely insignificant compared to the value of the data they can exfiltrate.

Wasn’t the entire point of 5G to reduce the cost so that this dystopian ‘internet of phone home day bypassing all your security controls’?

I figure that this scenario is all but inevitable at this point. Most people just don't care -- and those that do can go live in Faraday cages like weirdos.

Re: Amazon Sidewalk

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Post by Zenst »

hownottowrite wrote: post #58

“Preserving customer privacy and security is foundational to how we’ve built Amazon Sidewalk.“ I love that this is the opening line in two back to back FAQ entries. I'm going to make Alexa read it to me for full effect.

Probably best as I'm sure many will have the word "backdoor" echoing throughout my head reading all that.

Re: Amazon Sidewalk

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

bregma wrote: post #99
choeger wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. That move is just one step further in removing control. They now have sealed devices that can have who knows what functions but are confined to the network. Next step is to have a concealed upstream. After that they will somehow get a legal mandate to force such devices on you (like the EU did with cars). Maybe they will use smoke detectors or "emergency" services. In the end, this is exactly like in 1984.

Less 1984 and more Fahrenheit 451. There is no central authority imposing this to exert control on the masses: consumers are imposing it on themselves willingly and industry is just giving them what they want. Juvenal redux.

> consumers are imposing it on themselves willingly

Without reasonable alternative and without consent is like a LEO version of 'willing'.

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