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Why are modern 50mm lenses so damned complicated?

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Re: Why are modern 50mm lenses so damned complicated?

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Turn off motion smoothing on your TV. It's also called the "Soap Opera Effect".

Or keep it turned on and get used to it so we can all finally start enjoying high frame rate video!

Believe me I've tried. It's good for sports, meh for TV shows, and horrible for films or anything filmed (which includes a lot of scripted TV.) I don't think anything but 24 (or 23.976) fps will ever look correct to me for movies.

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>Have you ever watched an old TV show and despaired how unwatchable it is because of low quality of image? Yes, that's the same thing -- our tastes change. I've had the opposite reaction - I'd watch something I've seen before in 4k remastered or something and it would be a worse experience because the extra details reveal the low quality tricks you can get away with on lower reproduction quality. I've even noticed po…

The Thing is probably my favorite movie and the practical creature effects are still largely considered the gold standard of the craft. But in 2K the artificiality is getting a lot more noticeable and while I will certainly be getting it in 4K I'm starting to realize that maybe 720p is the best way to view it for the sake of full immersion. YMMV.

Contrasting that to the digital remaster (presumably first for DVD) which is AMAZING. They did an incredible job restoring the image.

Re: Why are modern 50mm lenses so damned complicated?

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I have a bunch of full frame lenses. Recently I looked at some very old ones I haven't used in a long time. I thought they are faulty (soft). After some diagnosing I found that it is not the fault of lenses but rather in the meantime I have started looking at images at 1:1 in Lightroom and gotten used to ridiculously sharp images from new cameras. Have you ever watched an old TV show and despaired how unwatchable it…

>Have you ever watched an old TV show and despaired how unwatchable it is because of low quality of image? Yes, that's the same thing -- our tastes change. I've had the opposite reaction - I'd watch something I've seen before in 4k remastered or something and it would be a worse experience because the extra details reveal the low quality tricks you can get away with on lower reproduction quality. I've even noticed po…

I think HDR can sometimes look ... different. Maybe it's like the early 3d stuff where you got weird motion artifacts until they figured it out.

I watched Gemini Man in 4k HDR and some of the scenes seemed a little like a video game. I think there was sort of an "uncanny valley" sort of thing where you could see detail into the deepest shadow and it looked fake.

On the other hand, 2001 in 4k was awesome.

Re: Why are modern 50mm lenses so damned complicated?

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I love 50mm lenses but a lot of this stuff is ridiculously academic since photography is artistic & creative in nature. DPreview largely seems to write for the crowd that doesn't even care about the art aspect and just wants validation that they have better photo gear than others. These new 50mm lenses often defeat the point cause they're enormous, heavy, very expensive, and have little benefit over the slower versio…

> DPreview largely seems to write for the crowd that doesn't even care about the art aspect and just wants validation that they have better photo gear than others. To be fair, the author of this article is Roger Cicala of LensRentals fame [1]; optical testing is his bread and butter. He's also the first to point out that optimal lens performance is neither necessary nor sufficient for good photography, and is famousl…

(S)he's got a point about though DPReview, Fred Miranda, and all the rest. Dear God, those forums---on the rare occasion when someone stops wanking about "bokeh" long enough to actually post a photograph, it tends to serve as a stark reminder of how little time most of those users spend creating art vs. talking about machines.

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The expensive lenses are usually big and heavy. If you don't need that degree of sharpness, then it's potentially a worse tool than a lighter (and cheaper) lens. >So why wouldn't they be called "hobbyist photographers" like the rest of us? I feel like I explained my thoughts on that in my previous comment. Basically if you're in it for the love of the gear rather than to make photographs that's fine, but your hobby i…

> I feel like I explained my thoughts on that in my previous comment. Yes, you did. Sorry, it shouldn't have sounded so personal. My real problem is with the community in general. > Basically if you're in it for the love of the gear rather than to make photographs that's fine, but your hobby is collecting rather than photography. The thing is, it is a spectrum between pinhole photographers and gear heads. There are d…

>it is a spectrum

Yeah, for sure, I didn't intend to make it sound like as much of a clear cut dichotomy as I ended up doing.

>who is branded a legitimate photographer instead of some weirdo with too much money?

You ask the Internet Photography Police to render a verdict, of course! But yeah, it's not a clearcut distinction in most cases.

Re: Why are modern 50mm lenses so damned complicated?

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These modern 50mm lenses are certainly marvels of optical engineering. But the future seem to belong to simpler, cheaper and lighter lens designs with optical imperfections corrected digitally. Modern phones take stunning images (in good light) with optically inferior lenses.

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Second the recommendation for Tamron. I have their 70-200 f/2.8 with stabilization. It's amazing, especially for the price. I shoot concerts with it on an A7ii. The lens is great. The camera body however is showing its age which is unfortunate, but I'll upgrade in a generation or two.

Oh, you are talking about older version for cameras with mirror. I'm talking about newer one designed from scratch for mirror less cameras. They are even better and getting really close to Sony lenses (even better than some like new 70-180 f/2.8 is cheaper and better than Sony 70-200 f/4).

I recently got started with photography (A7R M2) and the tamron 28-70 f/2.8 is my first zoom. Have a 28mm 2.8, 40mm 2.8, 85mm 2.8 but the tamron is the one that is almost always mounted (or the sony 28mm). It's truly amazing.

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> DPReview largely seems to write for the crowd that doesn't even care about the art aspect and just wants validation that they have better photo gear than others. DPReview, FStoppers, PetaPixel, and back in before the web the Popular Photography and Modern Photography magazines. There's a big market for prosumer gear that costs a lot, has ideal technical specs, and hangs around the owner's neck like a prize. Of cour…

DPReview seems to have rather balanced reporting (I'm not a regular reader), so they do seem to be at least somewhat independent of being directly sponsored by whoever they're reviewing at the time. Compare this to pretty much every photo-vlogger/blogger/grammer out there, which have massive audiences while making unclear claims of independence and un-biasedness while shilling very hard.

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Old lenses are generally fine when stopped down to sensible apertures in my experience. What’s new is the expectation that lenses should be ultra sharp wide open. Expensive lenses are a very niche enthusiast market now, so the design criteria aren’t especially rational. An exception would be old kit zooms from the film era, which really are awful, since they were designed for people who rarely even went up to 8x10 pr…

Half of reason I even bother with full frame is wide open. Any smartphone these days can give perfectly good sharp photos. I lug the beast around to get shots you can't get with a smartphone.

Shooting wide open is fashionable because it’s a sign of expensive gear. Once artificial bokeh is perfected I expect people will stop obsessing over blurry backgrounds.

Re: Why are modern 50mm lenses so damned complicated?

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Turn off motion smoothing on your TV. It's also called the "Soap Opera Effect".

Or keep it turned on and get used to it so we can all finally start enjoying high frame rate video!

Smoothing is orthogonal to high frame rate. You shouldn't upscale lower frame rates by making up frames (essentially tweening). It adds latency (boo) artifacts (boo) and reduces fidelity overall (boo).

If the source happens to have more frames, then show them of course. But otherwise I'd prefer to see the same frame again for the extra 1/60th of a second.

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