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Why are modern 50mm lenses so damned complicated?

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Re: Why are modern 50mm lenses so damned complicated?

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I had an old metal very well regarded 50 mm prime, 1.4 f.

I also had a modern plastic 18-55 mm kit lens, high f (starting at 3.5).

But the colors on the modern zoom lens were so much better. Hard to explain, but they just looked better, kind of like a DSLR photo has "better" colors than a phone photo.

It was very confusing, I was expecting differences in sharpness maybe, but not in colors.

Re: Why are modern 50mm lenses so damned complicated?

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I have a bunch of full frame lenses. Recently I looked at some very old ones I haven't used in a long time. I thought they are faulty (soft). After some diagnosing I found that it is not the fault of lenses but rather in the meantime I have started looking at images at 1:1 in Lightroom and gotten used to ridiculously sharp images from new cameras. Have you ever watched an old TV show and despaired how unwatchable it…

>Have you ever watched an old TV show and despaired how unwatchable it is because of low quality of image? Yes, that's the same thing -- our tastes change. I've had the opposite reaction - I'd watch something I've seen before in 4k remastered or something and it would be a worse experience because the extra details reveal the low quality tricks you can get away with on lower reproduction quality. I've even noticed po…

I'm a 4K HDR fanboy, but IMO most movies shot in 35mm film should remain in 1080p. 70mm film looks great in 4K though (2001, Nolan movies, etc).

It's a shame there is no 1080p HDR content. 35mm movies would benefit a lot more of higher color bit depth that higher resolution. Anyone knows if this is a codec limitation?

Re: Why are modern 50mm lenses so damned complicated?

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I had an old metal very well regarded 50 mm prime, 1.4 f. I also had a modern plastic 18-55 mm kit lens, high f (starting at 3.5). But the colors on the modern zoom lens were so much better. Hard to explain, but they just looked better, kind of like a DSLR photo has "better" colors than a phone photo. It was very confusing, I was expecting differences in sharpness maybe, but not in colors.

A lot of that has to do with coatings modern lenses use to correct for chromatic aberration, but also how they minimize loss of contrast from light bouncing around inside the lens.

It really is incredible how much a lens affects the final image.

Re: Why are modern 50mm lenses so damned complicated?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Have you ever watched an old TV show and despaired how unwatchable it is because of low quality of image? Yes, that's the same thing -- our tastes change. I've had the opposite reaction - I'd watch something I've seen before in 4k remastered or something and it would be a worse experience because the extra details reveal the low quality tricks you can get away with on lower reproduction quality. I've even noticed po…

Turn off motion smoothing on your TV. It's also called the "Soap Opera Effect".

This so much. People either don't use it and then its unwatchable with it (my case), or get used to it since its default setting on TV and +-don't notice it after some time.

Every time I go back visiting parents, which have TV with this on, anything on TV feels surreal and not in a good way. Which isn't bad, watching TV instead of interacting with my parents is stupid waste of time anyway and TV itself actively helps with that

Re: Why are modern 50mm lenses so damned complicated?

#15
My Nikkor 50mm 1.8G is one of my favorite lenses. When I had a cropped sensor DSLR I used it as my portrait lens, and when I upgraded to a full frame I started using it as a general purpose lens. It creates beautiful images. I've always been curious about the versions with a lower f-stop, but the price always makes me think twice.

Re: Why are modern 50mm lenses so damned complicated?

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My Nikkor 50mm 1.8G is one of my favorite lenses. When I had a cropped sensor DSLR I used it as my portrait lens, and when I upgraded to a full frame I started using it as a general purpose lens. It creates beautiful images. I've always been curious about the versions with a lower f-stop, but the price always makes me think twice.

oh hey i have read many of your AOL files over the years, cheers :)

Re: Why are modern 50mm lenses so damned complicated?

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Have you ever watched an old TV show and despaired how unwatchable it is because of low quality of image? Yes, that's the same thing -- our tastes change. I've had the opposite reaction - I'd watch something I've seen before in 4k remastered or something and it would be a worse experience because the extra details reveal the low quality tricks you can get away with on lower reproduction quality. I've even noticed po…

Turn off motion smoothing on your TV. It's also called the "Soap Opera Effect".

I have a 65'' OLED TV and 24fps content is unwatchable without motion smoothing. When the camera pans, the "jumps" between frames are too distracting.

I only use it at about 10-20% though, not at 100% which I think is the default setting and I agree is vomitive.

Re: Why are modern 50mm lenses so damned complicated?

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How are these lens systems designed? Do they use "black box" optimization methods like gradient descent, simulated annealing or even genetic algorithms to find the optimal configuration of lenses?

How it used to be done: https://imaging.nikon.com/history/story/

Super-experienced people backed up by a small army of people doing ray-tracing by hand.

Wikipedia might give you starting points to find modern answers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_lens_design#Lens_optim... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_photographic_lens_d...

And if you want to get a general feel for how the modern designs work, Bill Claffs optical bench is a nice starting point: https://www.photonstophotos.net/GeneralTopics/Lenses/Optical...

(tbh it sounds a lot like the EDA space, and CAE in general)

Re: Why are modern 50mm lenses so damned complicated?

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I have a collection of 50mm lenses (from the 1950s to 2018). Most of my favorite shots are actually taken with the older, imperfect ones. Some people call these "character lenses", which have flaws that can actually be quite appealing. Most of them are sharp enough and the flaws disappear if stopped down a bit.

Examples of flaws include swirly bokeh in the background, a glow around high-contrast edges, and flares from lights.

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