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The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences

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Re: The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences

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It's weird that you can buy chips on Chinese sites in their thousands and western usual suppliers have no stock and the lead times are more than a year on some parts. Unfortunately you cannot just buy these Chinese parts and use in the products as they will likely have no certification or may even be fake. At least can be useful for prototyping although risky as well. I know many projects are on hold because of that.

How hard would it be to fly an engineer to Shenzen and physically test the supply?

I get it. Chinese vendors are not as reliable as Western suppliers. But it's not like ICs are black magic, it certainly wouldn't be that to enforce third-party quality control on them. Sure every now and then you'll pay for a batch you gotta throw out. But that sure as hell beats business killing 52-week lead times.

Re: The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences

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We had a 2020 Corolla as a rental over Christmas/New Years 2019/20, and it was amazing. What we drive at home: a 2008 Ford Fiesta that my husband bought in 2013. My only worry is that something will go wrong enough with it in the next year or so that we’d be compelled to get another car in this rather tight market, but otherwise, knowing that your car's current resale (and repurchase) value is approximately the secon…

> We had a 2020 Corolla as a rental over Christmas/New Years 2019/20 How does that work? Are models named for the year after they become available?

Yes, new models typically start being available around September: I always thought it was absurd too as a kid growing up, but it makes sense when you consider that competitive marketing pressures would drive manufacturers to release the new cars earlier and earlier. You can check the sticker somewhere around the driver's door to see when a vehicle was actually manufactured.

Re: The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences

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A couple of days ago I was watching a dramatic video showing test collisions of old cars vs modern cars. I was surprised by how much safer a 2016 car was than a 1992 car. Not to mention the 1959 death trap Bel Air. (It's alarming though that 1992 is now the olden days.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TikJC0x65X0

But a 2010+ car is not that far off a brand new car. Used doesn't just mean old junker!

In terms of safety technology, your average 2010 car is missing a bunch of things that are found on your average 2021 car. Automatic emergency braking, side airbags, hell even the backup camera!

Re: The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences

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Because it would ultimately be paid for by the public.

It's a voluntary exchange. If Intel's requirements for participating don't work for the locality, nobody is required to participate. If the locality chooses to pay with public funds, that's their decision to make. But it doesn't immediately erase the history and override the terms of the exchange that was made.

The parent was asking why public funding implied public ownership. That is the default. Multibillion dollar negotiations are a series of complicated compromises, so that the public would be willing to finance a fab they will neither own nor hold power over to satisfy global demand is well beyond the 'burden of proof' line.

Re: The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences

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I can't tell you how often I see comments on HN about "corporate greed" and such things as "businesses just want to make money at any cost". What these commenters don't understand is that cash is like the blood pumping through the veins of the business. Without cash the business dies. Even worse, people lose jobs, families lose security and the chain reaction can be massive. Businesses need profit and careful managem…

If a company has a honest business, then i agree with you. Money is the blood in their vein and they need it and should get it. Well, i cant speak for others, but when i talk about company greed i think of practices like using fake cheese to cut costs but hide it from the customer. Or when they break their product by update and tell you to buy the bigger one. (Like Synology recently) Or to intentionally slow down the…

Starting from the basis that there are less-than-honorable people in every domain it is perfectly reasonable to assume that a certain percentage of businesses might be (or are) willing to cut corners or behave badly in pursuit of whatever drives them. This could be profits, survival, competitive advantage, all of the above, etc.

I tend to react badly to broad-brush painting of business and those who run them as greedy and evil. There is a cultural undertone that seems to think this way. I can't understand how this happens other than to think that people who think this way (broad characterization) simply don't engage in any critical thinking at all and don't understand business.

The vast majority of businesses, large and small, are comprised of honest hard-working people who have no ill intent of any kind. The percentage has to be in the high 9's, like 99.999%. If this were not the case it would be very evident.

Large corporations can behave badly due to the power they can wield. A simple example of this are companies that have entire floors full of attorneys and can muscle little guys into submission by simply being able to outspend them in legal jousting. I have been at the receiving end of this and it is nasty. You are entirely powerless and can't do a thing about you. The asymmetry is beyond evident and, yes, very much unfair.

This, in my opinion, is a structural failure of our legal system. I am not a lawyer, so I can't really dissect this down to details. I just think that "equal under the law" depend on how much money you have to tilt that equality. I don't know what could be changed in order to achieve balance.

A simple example of this could be patents. A good utility patent can cost in the order of $25K to $50K to secure and take years. A large company has the resources to write hundreds of patents per year. Small to medium businesses are generally more innovative and creative than large organizations with lots of inertia. However, they are often starved for cash, which means they have to choose between innovating, paying the bills, keeping people employed and existing or dumping cash into patent after patent. This creates a situation where small to medium businesses end-up living in a very real legal mine field of patents that could, at any time, take them out. Beyond that, patent litigation --any litigation-- is so expensive that almost anyone has to cave immediately.

Yes, we could do a lot better in ensuring fairness and socially responsible behavior across the board. Not sure how we get there when our political system's fitness function is completely disconnected from delivering anything of true value to society. As long as politicians are evaluated through a fitness function with that consists of votes and not much else, we are not going to have leadership who cares about doing anything other than lying and pandering for votes. How do we fix anything when these are the kinds of people running the nation?

Re: The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences

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I don't think one can even fund assembler docs for a chip so old, rare, and obscure as first SH-1,2,3 families.

This is a weird comment. One of the key features of the SuperH ISA is that it's more or less backwards compatible. I worked on them in the 00s/10s, but I can't imagine they had an entirely different ISA in the 90s. I also know that commercial SH3 emulators exist because I've used them. Heck, Renesas used to ship one with the toolchain.

I'm surprised to hear this, maybe trying to salvage the old binary might have had some sense, but the client already went for a complete re-engineering, recognising the low availability of this rare chip as a great threat.

Re: The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences

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I can't tell you how often I see comments on HN about "corporate greed" and such things as "businesses just want to make money at any cost". What these commenters don't understand is that cash is like the blood pumping through the veins of the business. Without cash the business dies. Even worse, people lose jobs, families lose security and the chain reaction can be massive. Businesses need profit and careful managem…

Those comments aren't entirely unreasonable. Money is important, but it can't be the be-all-and-end-all of a company. There are companies like Sun Microsystems, and then there are companies like Oracle. There are companies like Gandi, and then there are companies like GoDaddy. There are companies like Fastmail, and then there are companies like Google. I prefer to look up to the first group.

Sure. Agreed. However, I think it is entirely fair to say that this isn't a 50/50 situation where half the companies are evil. In fact, even companies like Google --which I have grown to dislike-- are not evil. They behave badly in some areas while doing great things in others.

One of the things I have grown fond of forcing myself to say or think as a way to center myself is that reality can't be reduced to a single variable. Reality is a complex multivariate problem. As such, a reduction to a single variable, is both irrational and unrealistic. No matter the issue, there's a lot more under the surface than a single variable, issue, property, behavior, etc. A lot more. The sophisticated thinker will recognize this and try their best to avoid the kinds of sweeping generalizations that are, sadly, so common these days. Entire groups of people negatively painted with a broad brush is probably the most recognizable for of this effect today.

Re: The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences

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This is a weird comment. One of the key features of the SuperH ISA is that it's more or less backwards compatible. I worked on them in the 00s/10s, but I can't imagine they had an entirely different ISA in the 90s. I also know that commercial SH3 emulators exist because I've used them. Heck, Renesas used to ship one with the toolchain.

I'm surprised to hear this, maybe trying to salvage the old binary might have had some sense, but the client already went for a complete re-engineering, recognising the low availability of this rare chip as a great threat.

Yeah, they definitely got rare in the normal supply chain. I'd be surprised to see one in anything other than a japanese design today.

Re: The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences

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Funny, because I am saying since many years that Europe needs it's own semiconductor production and Silicon Valley. But no, we must rely on our American friends who not only spy on us, but constantly rip us off, while themselves producing in Chine and Taiean.

I think there was news that EU wants to invest €150B into fabs

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Since 14% of renters are behind on rent and evictions begin June 30, aren’t vehicle repossessions going to kick in July / August? Presumably, due in part to eviction protection, they have been able to divert all or a portion of their rent payments to keeping up with bad car loans for commute vehicles that often will not be needed. These folks need them for housing unfortunately. If repossessed cars start showing up t…

>> Since 14% of renters are behind on rent and evictions begin June 30, aren’t vehicle repossessions going to kick in July / August? Americans will pay their car loan before their rent.

Because of the eviction moratorium there are many who just stopped paying rent. And some of those people bought cars they are only able to afford because they aren't paying rent. Even with prioritizing car payments there will be many who fall behind on those if they start paying rent at new places.
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