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Re: The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences

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Post by VWWHFSfQ » Sun, May 09, 2021, 11:26 PM UTC

jessermeyer wrote: post #555

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #523

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> "then it should be a public foundry, if payed for by the public" It sounds to me like Intel is willing to set up a fab in Europe, and they've stated their asking price. Why does this immediately result in people saying that it should be a public foundry just because it would ultimately be paid for by the public?

Because it would ultimately be paid for by the public.

I guess this would be similar to the way a lot of sports arenas are built. The public foots the bill to build it, and the team gets a cheap 20-year lease to use it. And the public the gets a sports team.

Re: The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences

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Post by MangoCoffee » Sun, May 09, 2021, 11:51 PM UTC

baybal2 wrote: post #491

MangoCoffee wrote: post #161

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are we talking about assemble in the USA? any low labors cost country can assemble the phone. it doesn't have to be China. Foxconn already have a factory in India and Samsung in Vietnam. design can be done in the USA like Apple. component like corning gorilla glass is made in the USA. chips can be produce in the USA with Intel IDM 2.0 or TSMC in Taiwan. it will cost the same since you can outsource assembly

> component like corning gorilla glass is made in the USA Unfortunately, most GG in the world is made in China. > any low labors cost country can assemble the phone FYI, some parts of USA had already for a few years lower skilled labour costs than South China.

>Unfortunately, most GG in the world is made in China.

Corning manufactures Gorilla Glass in the United States, Japan, and Taiwan. - corning website:

https://www.corning.com/gorillaglass/worldwide/en/faqs.html#....

>FYI, some parts of USA had already for a few years lower skilled labour costs than South China.

good? not really sure what you trying to say. companies will always go to the low labor cost countries.

Re: The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences

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Post by MangoCoffee » Sun, May 09, 2021, 11:56 PM UTC

fsflover wrote: post #208

MangoCoffee wrote: post #161

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are we talking about assemble in the USA? any low labors cost country can assemble the phone. it doesn't have to be China. Foxconn already have a factory in India and Samsung in Vietnam. design can be done in the USA like Apple. component like corning gorilla glass is made in the USA. chips can be produce in the USA with Intel IDM 2.0 or TSMC in Taiwan. it will cost the same since you can outsource assembly

> are we talking about assemble in the USA? No. Did you read the thread before asking? > they both have semiconductor fabs!

>So how much do USA-made mobile phones cost?

this is your question and I asked if we are talking about assemble the phone in the USA or not. if not assemble in the USA then the cost won't change much.

Re: The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences

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Post by anigbrowl » Sun, May 09, 2021, 11:57 PM UTC

salawat wrote: post #422

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Where are they? Look at these explicitly 'small trucks': https://www.motortrend.com/news/best-small-trucks/ What am I supposed to search for, small small trucks? Trucks that are actually small? Looking for cheap trucks still delivers large vehicles, just with fewer features: https://www.motortrend.com/news/cheapest-pickup-trucks-frill... I even searched 'smallest trucks' and...guess what. The Honda Ridgeline seems li…

You won't find small car footprint trucks anymore because of CAFE standards. The small size pickup is infeasible to get to happen while still getting "truck" performamce characteristics at that size. At least as far as I understand, that and safety requirements are the main driver of truck size increases over time.

To honest, when I think of a small truck I just want something with about the power of a sedan or estate car but with a flat bed instead of more seats. I get why people like big trucks, but I think there's a lot of people who want storage space without necessarily needing massive towing power.

Re: The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences

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Post by anigbrowl » Sun, May 09, 2021, 11:58 PM UTC

phonon wrote: post #533

anigbrowl wrote: post #294

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Where are they? Look at these explicitly 'small trucks': https://www.motortrend.com/news/best-small-trucks/ What am I supposed to search for, small small trucks? Trucks that are actually small? Looking for cheap trucks still delivers large vehicles, just with fewer features: https://www.motortrend.com/news/cheapest-pickup-trucks-frill... I even searched 'smallest trucks' and...guess what. The Honda Ridgeline seems li…

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a36125131/2022-hyundai-san... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgaElsORHSQ

IT's still chunky but it's cute.

Re: The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences

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Post by unclebucknasty » Sun, May 09, 2021, 11:58 PM UTC

Larrikin wrote: post #513

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I'm not seeing anything like that. Here's the latest roundup of "the best rates" over at Bankrate [0], which includes some online-only banks. Highest I see there is 0.57%, with most at 0.4% and 0.5%. You might be able to scrounge up a few basis points somewhere if you're really determined and/or willing to meet some requirements. Still, even with our low-inflation these days [1], you're actually losing money in these…

TMobile Money is 4% for the first $3000 and 1% after that for customers and 1% flat for everyone else. Ally used to be pretty good but I've moved all my savings over for now

Yeah, obviously not scalable, but cool for a risk-averse T-Mobile wireless customer who wants a guaranteed 4% on $3K.

It is funny though that they give the example that at $5,000 saved your effective APY is around 2.79%. I mean, the bottom line is that as soon as you get above $3K, any additional savings drops to a lowly 1%, which doesn't keep pace with inflation (i.e. you're losing money). But they're presenting it like 2.79% is some kind of average that matters, thus implying it's a good idea to keep pouring money in.

The reality is that the offer is not an average, but two discrete terms of 4% and 1%. And, on the latter, you're trading whatever other returns you could've made elsewhere for that miserly 1%. Much better to put it elsewhere, even for those who bite on the initial $3K for 4%.

Re: The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences

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Post by dahfizz » Mon, May 10, 2021, 12:07 AM UTC

BeetleB wrote: post #413

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I definitely agree that car size inflation is a real problem. Cars are too big and getting bigger every year. That said, "good visibility" is not a replacement for safety tech. The sensors and cameras in a car are always going to be better at spotting danger than a human for things like blind spot monitoring and backup cameras. You sound a bit like the teachers that would drill mental math because "you won't always h…

> The sensors and cameras in a car are always going to be better at spotting danger than a human for things like blind spot monitoring and backup cameras. Any data to back this up? Note that there is a difference between "always better" and "generally better". The former needs only one counterexample. My car has on several occasions failed to detect that there is a car in front of me, and would have happily crashed i…

> Any data to back this up? Note that there is a difference between "always better" and "generally better".

Maybe I should clarify again that I am talking about "basic" safety features like backup cameras or blind spot monitoring. My parent was talking specifically about the intelligent rearview mirror some trucks have.

These things, by definition, see more than the driver because of where they are placed. It is physically impossible for you to see what is behind your rear bumper, so having a camera that can see it is strictly better.

I can't make quite as strong a claim for the more advanced safety features like automatic braking and lane departure warnings, but the data says cars with these systems are safer on average[1].

[1] https://www.forbes.com/advisor/car-insurance/vehicle-safety-...

Re: The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, May 10, 2021, 12:09 AM UTC

crote wrote: post #267

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I get that this is a potential big problem, but I had to stop reading when the dog washing company blamed needing to respin a new board on a chip being out of stock due to this. I'm sorry, but if you aren't buying enough chips to build all the boards you want to build of a revision, this is just what happens, chip shortage or no. Stuff gets obsoleted all the time, it doesn't take a chip shortage. Blaming a black swan…

I'm very loosely involved in the highly customized keyboard business, think runs of a couple hundred units. One vendor is having trouble finding any chip to design for. The software stack supports a couple of dozen STM32 chip series, but none of them are even remotely available. I've seen a lead time of over 11 months. Before COVID, pretty much every single chip was in stock almost all of the time. Respinning a board…

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Re: The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences

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Post by baybal2 » Mon, May 10, 2021, 12:10 AM UTC

MangoCoffee wrote: post #562

baybal2 wrote: post #491

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> component like corning gorilla glass is made in the USA Unfortunately, most GG in the world is made in China. > any low labors cost country can assemble the phone FYI, some parts of USA had already for a few years lower skilled labour costs than South China.

>Unfortunately, most GG in the world is made in China. Corning manufactures Gorilla Glass in the United States, Japan, and Taiwan. - corning website: https://www.corning.com/gorillaglass/worldwide/en/faqs.html#... . >FYI, some parts of USA had already for a few years lower skilled labour costs than South China. good? not really sure what you trying to say. companies will always go to the low labor cost countries.

Corning has a huge plants in Hefei, and in other parts of China. All uncut GG I saw had "Made In China" on its packaging.

> good? not really sure what you trying to say. companies will always go to the low labor cost countries.

The point I wanted to make was exactly that they don't, even with US lower taxes added to that.

Re: The global chip shortage is starting to have consequences

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Post by kosma » Mon, May 10, 2021, 12:14 AM UTC

"Starting to have consequences"? The situation is absolutely dire. Shelves are empty; common parts like DC/DC converters have lead times of 52 weeks. Maybe big companies who can afford to hoard parts are fine... the small ones are absolutely screwed. You can't even get enough parts to build prototypes. I'm in the position where I have to cannibalize rev A boards just to be able to build and test rev B boards.