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Re: Eating sardines regularly helps prevent type 2 diabetes

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Post by podgaj »

thraxil wrote: post #77
podgaj wrote: post #71

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The Inuit and Saami have lived on those diets for so long they became genetically adapted to them. The same is true for many Northern Europeans. When they do not adhere to these diets they have worse outcomes. https://science.sciencemag.org/content/349/6254/1343 So those diets are better FOR THEM, not for everyone. But the same could hold true for you or me. I know it is true for me because I have Saami heritage and…

> There is a synergy that humans could never find with logic. Perhaps, but there is no science that demonstrates that. It sounds like you are looking at this research and coming to stronger and more general conclusions than they claim. Again, most of it seems to be of the form "we took some people who were deficient in [some nutrient that is found in fish], gave them fish, and found that they did better than a contro…

Woot! Finnish here!

I agree with you on the Saami diet, I was generalizing for the Sake of brevity in the comments. I am in no way any kind of carnivore or Paleo freak. I only have general guidelines and loose interpretations about what I should eat.

You’re right though, I have no scientific Evidence for synergy. But it is our arrogance to think we know everything that is in food And how it affects our bodies. This could never be tested scientifically.

But you’ve mistaken my argument as well. The genetic changes of the Inuit make them more susceptible to disease only when they are on a western diet. when they are on their ancestral diet they have no problems. Eating that much seafood makes them dependent on eating seafood. Do you understand that better?

Just like living in Africa change the color of people skin it actually makes them more dependent on getting sunlight. Does a sunlamp replace the sun? Hard to say.

Re: Eating sardines regularly helps prevent type 2 diabetes

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Post by ucha »

Havoc wrote: post #47

Don't like boney fish. Salmon on the other hand is nice...but comes with other concerns (environmental, heavy metals etc). Is there something in between?

Sardine or mackerel balls. Just remove the spine add an egg, some lemon juice and spices and boom, no bones and still delicious.

Re: Eating sardines regularly helps prevent type 2 diabetes

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

fctorial wrote: post #69
crispyambulance wrote: post #64

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canned sardines are already cooked!

Steam cooked. Parasites (especially their eggs) are very resilient. Meat that isn't fried or pressure cooked is not safe to eat.

If a person were concerned, where would they find more information about this?

Re: Eating sardines regularly helps prevent type 2 diabetes

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Post by gentleman11 »

schwartzworld wrote: post #6

Sardines are a household favorite for us. My kids love them. The secret is, don't buy cheap ones. Look for brisling or any other small fish packed in olive oil. $3-5/can is a good sweet spot, although you can pay $9 for a can of imported Portuguese sardines no problem. Speaking of Portugal, they do grilled fresh sardines. My 3 year old insisted on eating them daily when we were in Lisbon

I stopped eating them because my roommate can’t stand the smell. Same for smoked oysters. I miss them both a lot

Re: Eating sardines regularly helps prevent type 2 diabetes

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Post by exhilaration »

Havoc wrote: post #47

Don't like boney fish. Salmon on the other hand is nice...but comes with other concerns (environmental, heavy metals etc). Is there something in between?

If you're looking for a specific type of salmon my understanding is that wild Alaskan salmon has very low levels of mercury and the fisheries are healthy. I'm not sure where you are but it's widely available in the United States.

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Post by exhilaration »

crispyambulance wrote: post #61
Havoc wrote: post #47

Don't like boney fish. Salmon on the other hand is nice...but comes with other concerns (environmental, heavy metals etc). Is there something in between?

FWIW, It's OK to eat the bones in canned sardines.

The bones in canned sardines are actually very good for you, that's where all the calcium is.

Re: Eating sardines regularly helps prevent type 2 diabetes

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Post by Auracle »

troydavis wrote: post #7

If anyone in the US is new to sardines, of the choices available in US grocery stores, Matiz is by far the best. I recommend ordering online, where you’ll find other great choices like La Gondola, Angelo Parodi, Nuri/Pinhais, and Bela. (If you’re in Europe, try Rödel sardines at least once in your life. They’re completely unavailable in North America.)

What do you do with them? I’ve never made or had anything with sardines in my life.

Re: Eating sardines regularly helps prevent type 2 diabetes

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Post by tailspin2019 »

jancsika wrote: post #78

Another plus is that you can pretend that sardines are regular-sized fish and that you are a giant who is eating them whole.

I thought it was just me that did that.

On a more serious note, I just tried this excellent sardines recipe this week; Fisherman's Eggs [0]. Great for a high protein breakfast...

[0] https://www.thesophisticatedcaveman.com/fishermans-eggs/

Re: Eating sardines regularly helps prevent type 2 diabetes

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Post by bayesian_horse »

podgaj wrote: post #23
woko wrote: post #12

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True. The "root cause" could be that one improves one's diet: - if you take "sardine" supplement pills and go on eating burgers and fries, do not expect a miracle with respect to type 2 pre-diabetes, - if you eat sardines as part of a meal, I suspect that you are likely to *replace* parts of your current diet with the (fatty) fish, rather than keep your usual diet and add fish on top of it. For instance, a funny para…

This is true, just adding sardines your diet will probably do nothing for most people. It’s more about the elimination of other things we eat as well. It wasn’t until I was eating only salmon for my fat and protein source that I was able to raise my HDL from 35 to 54!. I credit this to totally eliminating the omega-6 fats. But this is just me because I’m a genetic freak with hyperlipidemia.

The value of reducing Omega-6 is over-hyped. The issue here is that when you eat a can of sardines, you tend to not eat them with a big load of carbohydrates, like white bread, rice, pasta, fries...

Re: Eating sardines regularly helps prevent type 2 diabetes

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Post by bayesian_horse »

ackbar03 wrote: post #35
Ecco wrote: post #2

“Sardines will therefore have a protective element because they are rich in the aforementioned nutrients, whereas nutrients taken in isolation in the form of supplements won’t work to the same extent” : to me this reads as “we found a correlation but we are clueless about the root cause”.

Since supplements have been brought up, what's with the American's obsession over supplements? It's like people are just chomping them down like they're some sort of food stable like bread or rice (or maybe that's just what all the youtube videos want you to think). Its like every bodybuilder on youtube has their own brand of supplements now. Don't even get me started on pre-workout. "Don't feel like working out? Chu…

Supplements don't cure diabetes.

The sardines are a very high-fat food item that will satiate you and potentially replace a big load of carbohydrates. Which would affect the prediabetes.

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