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Archivists Are Trying to Make Sure a ‘Pirate Bay of Science’ Never Goes Down (2019)

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Post by graeme »

sumgame wrote: post #69
bserge wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Add them all together for the ultimate, proof of destruction: cryptocurrency backed by atmospheric pollution, fauna and flora extinction and natural resource exhaustion. Buy it now, it definitely won't last forever! :D Bu seriously, I still don't understand cryptocurrencies. So, your X discoin is worth Y million real money . But that's only while it's in cryptocurrency form. If people start cashing out, the value wil…

That’s true for stocks too. As people sell, value plummets That doesn’t make it a Ponzi scheme

Stocks confer ownership of a company. If Apple remained the same, but everyone went insane and started selling Apple Stocks for $0.0000000000000000000000001 and people refused to buy, I would buy every one and then collect the dividends.

Whereas if everyone sold crypto for $0.00000000000000000000001 and people refused to buy, you would gain nothing by buying them all. You can only make money in crypto if people buy it at a higher price.

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Post by kemonocode »

graeme wrote: post #71
sumgame wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s true for stocks too. As people sell, value plummets That doesn’t make it a Ponzi scheme

Stocks confer ownership of a company. If Apple remained the same, but everyone went insane and started selling Apple Stocks for $0.0000000000000000000000001 and people refused to buy, I would buy every one and then collect the dividends. Whereas if everyone sold crypto for $0.00000000000000000000001 and people refused to buy, you would gain nothing by buying them all. You can only make money in crypto if people buy i…

Except many stocks do not, in fact, pay dividends. Amazon doesn't and it's one of the most highly valued companies in the world. Meanwhile, just as a lot of crypto does not pay dividends I could make use of DeFi platforms to get it on the crypto I do own, or simply get Proof of Stake cryptocurrencies, then you can see the staking process as paying dividends of a kind.

I get your hatred towards crypto, but you're cherry picking. If all money is BS and made up then good ol' stocks have good company with crypto in hell.

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Post by pmoriarty »

CuriousSkeptic wrote: post #45
alpaca128 wrote: post #31

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I'm starting to wonder what'll occur first: the bubble popping or the whole hardware market coming to a standstill because of 16 different "proof of xyz" schemes. I cannot wait for internet connections to become unusable after a currency introduces "proof of bandwidth".

Ironically I was speculating the other day if not this whole peer review thing would be a good candidate for a crypto currency Some mechanism by which to speculate on the impact or future credibility of a paper would create some kind of prediction market Proof of impact prediction?

Just what we need... more incentives for scientists to game the system.

Re: Archivists Are Trying to Make Sure a ‘Pirate Bay of Science’ Never Goes Down (2019)

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Post by [deleted] »

graeme wrote: post #71
sumgame wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s true for stocks too. As people sell, value plummets That doesn’t make it a Ponzi scheme

Stocks confer ownership of a company. If Apple remained the same, but everyone went insane and started selling Apple Stocks for $0.0000000000000000000000001 and people refused to buy, I would buy every one and then collect the dividends. Whereas if everyone sold crypto for $0.00000000000000000000001 and people refused to buy, you would gain nothing by buying them all. You can only make money in crypto if people buy i…

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Post by johnbcoughlin »

kemonocode wrote: post #72
graeme wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stocks confer ownership of a company. If Apple remained the same, but everyone went insane and started selling Apple Stocks for $0.0000000000000000000000001 and people refused to buy, I would buy every one and then collect the dividends. Whereas if everyone sold crypto for $0.00000000000000000000001 and people refused to buy, you would gain nothing by buying them all. You can only make money in crypto if people buy i…

Except many stocks do not, in fact, pay dividends. Amazon doesn't and it's one of the most highly valued companies in the world. Meanwhile, just as a lot of crypto does not pay dividends I could make use of DeFi platforms to get it on the crypto I do own, or simply get Proof of Stake cryptocurrencies, then you can see the staking process as paying dividends of a kind. I get your hatred towards crypto, but you're cher…

Hopefully everyone can see that there is a difference between being a 75% shareholder of Amazon, and being a 75% shareholder of dogecoin, in terms of the real assets that allows you to bring to bear. Regardless of which one is paying dividends.

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Post by Retric »

kemonocode wrote: post #72
graeme wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stocks confer ownership of a company. If Apple remained the same, but everyone went insane and started selling Apple Stocks for $0.0000000000000000000000001 and people refused to buy, I would buy every one and then collect the dividends. Whereas if everyone sold crypto for $0.00000000000000000000001 and people refused to buy, you would gain nothing by buying them all. You can only make money in crypto if people buy i…

Except many stocks do not, in fact, pay dividends. Amazon doesn't and it's one of the most highly valued companies in the world. Meanwhile, just as a lot of crypto does not pay dividends I could make use of DeFi platforms to get it on the crypto I do own, or simply get Proof of Stake cryptocurrencies, then you can see the staking process as paying dividends of a kind. I get your hatred towards crypto, but you're cher…

Proof of stake crypto doesn’t pay a dividend. Stock splits where you hold more shares but total number of shares double are effectively a null transaction. It’s only the underlying value that matters not the number of tokens.

All companies either die or eventually pay dividends in one form or another. So, just because Amazon or whatnot has yet to pay a dividend doesn’t mean it will never pay one. People judge the probability of future dividends not just the pattern of past dividends because companies can fail, but they can also grow. Handing back money in the growth phase is considered an inefficient use of funds.

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

yosito wrote: post #41

It's unfortunate that preserving access to scientific knowledge is being associated with piracy. I get the connection, but Libgen is an entirely different thing than torrenting copyrighted media for entertainment.

An ebook reader plus the fiction section on LibGen (and its predecessor ebook-sharing websites) has allowed me to avoid spending money on novels for nearly a decade now.

Yes, often the novels I was reading were part of the modern canon (e.g. works by Nobel laureates) and ought to be freely available to all – I think everyone has a right to a basic cultural education, and copyright shouldn’t be enforced on things considered canonical. But other times, the novels I was reading were pretty inane genre fiction with little claim to cultural value, so yes, it was piracy for the sake of entertainment. Instead of trying to deny that LibGen is used for that, I think we might celebrate it.

Re: Archivists Are Trying to Make Sure a ‘Pirate Bay of Science’ Never Goes Down (2019)

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Post by Mediterraneo10 »

givepause wrote: post #67
eloisius wrote: post #10

What prevents metaphorical Trojan-infected copies of Photoshop from ending up in a science piracy site?

They only host PDFs and EPUBs, so there's no software involved.

Both the PDF and EPUB formats allow embedding programs within them. The risk of malware is remote but real.

Re: Archivists Are Trying to Make Sure a ‘Pirate Bay of Science’ Never Goes Down (2019)

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Post by trompetenaccoun »

d110af5ccf wrote: post #48
yosito wrote: post #41

It's unfortunate that preserving access to scientific knowledge is being associated with piracy. I get the connection, but Libgen is an entirely different thing than torrenting copyrighted media for entertainment.

Uhh, you realize Libgen has a fiction section (among other things), right?

The headline makes it sound like it's about sci hub, maybe that that's why people are confused.
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