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Eating sardines regularly helps prevent type 2 diabetes

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Re: Eating sardines regularly helps prevent type 2 diabetes

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

culturestate wrote: post #46
dtech wrote: post #37

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Aside from eating animals in general, what is ethically questionable of octopus salad?

They're incredibly intelligent, and there's a healthy debate around whether they're actually conscious[1]. I tend to question whether I should be eating something that might reasonably be aware, were it alive, that it's about to die. 1. see e.g. https://qz.com/1045782/an-octopus-is-the-closest-thing-to-an...

I’m pretty certain the mammals we eat are conscious, and that doesn’t seem to bother most of us.

Re: Eating sardines regularly helps prevent type 2 diabetes

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Post by wjaugustyn »

ptsneves wrote: post #40
giantg2 wrote: post #28

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Haven't sardines, like most other fish, been overfished, making them ethically questionable too?

As a portuguese I can tell you that sardine stocks are heavily controlled and regulated and there are years where the catchable tonnage is severely reduced. As the fish markets are centralized, meaning fishermen need to sell their catch in a government auction house, you cannot really do industrial fishing out of allowed stock quotas. Sardines quotas are the target of heavy diplomatic negotiations with EU.

South Africa has a pretty strong S. sagax stock, but it all gets canned or ground into fish meal. Eating fresh sardines just isn’t part of the culture — so sad.

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Post by nefitty »

amanaplanacanal wrote: post #51
culturestate wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're incredibly intelligent, and there's a healthy debate around whether they're actually conscious[1]. I tend to question whether I should be eating something that might reasonably be aware, were it alive, that it's about to die. 1. see e.g. https://qz.com/1045782/an-octopus-is-the-closest-thing-to-an...

I’m pretty certain the mammals we eat are conscious, and that doesn’t seem to bother most of us.

Prevailing attitudes aren’t a good barometer for judging the ethics of our individual choices.

Re: Eating sardines regularly helps prevent type 2 diabetes

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Post by blablabla123 »

giantg2 wrote: post #28
culturestate wrote: post #24

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> Speaking of Portugal, they do grilled fresh sardines One of my Portuguese guilty pleasures, along with (ethically questionable, I know) octopus salad. Highly recommend trying this if you can get your hands on some fresh sardines. Edit: grilled sardines are also a Japanese thing, so you might have luck finding them at an Asian market if your fishmonger doesn't have them.

Haven't sardines, like most other fish, been overfished, making them ethically questionable too?

Yes, kind of. That said, as far as I know anything that is more complex to digest like dark bread helps prevent type 2 diabetes. (But maybe it's anyway better to talk to a real doctor or at least a food expert if that is any concern...)

Re: Eating sardines regularly helps prevent type 2 diabetes

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Post by lapsis_beeftech »

podgaj wrote: post #23
woko wrote: post #12

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True. The "root cause" could be that one improves one's diet: - if you take "sardine" supplement pills and go on eating burgers and fries, do not expect a miracle with respect to type 2 pre-diabetes, - if you eat sardines as part of a meal, I suspect that you are likely to *replace* parts of your current diet with the (fatty) fish, rather than keep your usual diet and add fish on top of it. For instance, a funny para…

This is true, just adding sardines your diet will probably do nothing for most people. It’s more about the elimination of other things we eat as well. It wasn’t until I was eating only salmon for my fat and protein source that I was able to raise my HDL from 35 to 54!. I credit this to totally eliminating the omega-6 fats. But this is just me because I’m a genetic freak with hyperlipidemia.

Totally eliminating omega-6 from your diet can't be healthy, can it? There are only two essential fatty acids for humans and one of them (linoleic acid) is omega-6.

Re: Eating sardines regularly helps prevent type 2 diabetes

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Post by cortic »

>The fact that foods such as sardines - which are rich in taurine, omega 3, calcium and vitamin D - have a clear protective effect against the onset of diabetes does not mean that taking these supplements in isolation will have the same effect.

The only way i can understand this statement it that Rizzolo doubts that anything in the sardines are actually affecting type 2 diabetes. So perhaps the oily taste is suppressing apatite for 'sweet' and decreasing the patients sugar intake (decreasing them cheating on their diet).

Anyway a 152 patients study is not very conclusive, in larger studies there may not be any effect there at all.

Re: Eating sardines regularly helps prevent type 2 diabetes

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Post by throwamon »

shock wrote: post #53
podgaj wrote: post #20

I see it now, everyone going to their local mega grocery buying sardines packed in sunflower oil, Totally abolishing any of the positive effects of omega-3.

Why is sunflower oil unhealthy?

I don't think that's what they meant exactly, but rather that the amounts of omega-3 and 6 you consume should be in a specific ratio (or rather within a range of ratios), and the ratio in canned sardines is tilted towards the unhealthy side. There are other pairs of nutrients that follow this pattern as well. I highly recommend reading about them on Examine.com, but I suppose even Healthline will do.
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