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Re: Ursula Le Guin Books

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I never even got to the later Earthsea books. I absolutely loved and treasured The Wizard of Earthsea , which I've read and reread many times over my life (something I almost never do with any books). The other two books in the trilogy: The Tombs of Atuan and The Furthest Shore were pretty disappointing to me, so I stopped reading Le Guin after that.

The two earliest Earthsea short stories, The Word of Unbinding and The Rule of Names, are worth reading if you liked the more high-fantasy focus of the first book.

I found a reading of The Rule of Names here:

- Part 1 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwDAn0aBqcc

- Part 2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YFgSFvMN7M

- Part 3 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTTZ4fEFgFA

Re: Ursula Le Guin Books

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Srsly. Earthsea is the most potent of all her work.

Agreed. The Earthsea Cycle is one of the greatest and most influential fantasy sagas of all time, right up there next to LotR. It pioneered the wizarding school trope, later popularized by Harry Potter, as well as a magic system incorporating “true names” of things, a concept used in many other fantasies such as Eragon. A Wizard of Earthsea is my all time favorite book.

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Re: Ursula Le Guin Books

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The Tao Te Ching is one of the most profound books I've ever read in my life.. but it's hard to recommend just one translation. Reading different translations of it is like looking at a diamond through its many facets.

I would agree with that, however in the context of understanding Ursula Le Guin and her writing I stand by my call out to this translation specifically.

IIRC she called out a number of fairly respected earlier translations of the work as not correct or not serious, in her introduction. It was honestly a little off-putting and, I thought, disrespectful to those who had come before her in working to bring this important work to a Western audience.

Re: Ursula Le Guin Books

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Good to know. I tried "the left hand of darkness" and didn't like it. Somehow it read more like mediocre fantasy than scifi.

Because the science part takes a backseat to the cultural exploration. I guess that could be either fantasy or science fiction, but since it has spaceships it must be the latter.

"Because the science part takes a backseat to the cultural exploration."

This is what I explained to my high school teacher when she talked sf down because I wanted to write about Alastor by Vance.

Re: Ursula Le Guin Books

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That book, more than anything, helped me to see anarchism as a viable organizational system and not just people “doing whatever they want”.

Honestly I disagree they had anarchism. Seemed they had a sort of collectivism where they replaced some authority with "computers that hand out assignments" and pseudo-authority from the capital (Anares? I forgot). It looked like an odd system where presumably you were free but conditions were so hars and social pressure so strong that you did what was required. Sweden in space desert.

I do think it is more about a form of Anarcho-syndicalism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism

"social pressure so strong"

Wasn't that one of the points of the book?

Re: Ursula Le Guin Books

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Honestly I disagree they had anarchism. Seemed they had a sort of collectivism where they replaced some authority with "computers that hand out assignments" and pseudo-authority from the capital (Anares? I forgot). It looked like an odd system where presumably you were free but conditions were so hars and social pressure so strong that you did what was required. Sweden in space desert.

I do think it is more about a form of Anarcho-syndicalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-syndicalism "social pressure so strong" Wasn't that one of the points of the book?

Indeed, due to the extreme conditions, social pressure and conditioning since a young age, they were free in name only.

Re: Ursula Le Guin Books

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Honestly I disagree they had anarchism. Seemed they had a sort of collectivism where they replaced some authority with "computers that hand out assignments" and pseudo-authority from the capital (Anares? I forgot). It looked like an odd system where presumably you were free but conditions were so hars and social pressure so strong that you did what was required. Sweden in space desert.

Anarchism means 'without leaders,' not without society. Actual anarchists are generally interested in how to design a society that can function at a high level without leaders. This usually involves some mix of process and committees, with some serious thought about how to handle delegation of decision making without concentrating power in too few hands.

Honestly sounds like an extreme form of communism.

One of the benefits of hierarchy is that decision comes with personal responsibility (skin in the game?). Diluting all responsibility onto the whole population mean no accountability and shadow power structures.

Re: Ursula Le Guin Books

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"Some folks might be put off by how old these novels are..." I've been reading a lot of books from Project Gutenberg over the last couple of decades. Most of their collection ends in the 1920's, so Le Guin seems pretty modern to me by comparison. People who consider something from the 1960's or 70's to be "too old" are really missing out on so much amazing literature. To me, newer stuff tends to be much worse than th…

> People who consider something from the 1960's or 70's to be "too old" are really missing out on so much amazing literature. I completely agree. Personally I read fairly widely in a temporal sense, as long as the story engages me I'll run with it. I think the point I was trying to make is that a lot of folks can be put off by scifi thinking it's a genre brim full of space lasers, FTL space craft and nasty aliens and…

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Re: Ursula Le Guin Books

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If I would allowed to only own one book, it would be "The Dispossessed". This books explains so many different sides of humanity. On a more personal note: After reading it a dozen times there are still parts I need to cry. Just thinking about the strong emotions in parts of the book waters my eyes right now.

That book, more than anything, helped me to see anarchism as a viable organizational system and not just people “doing whatever they want”.

My impression was that they had a form of communism on the moon, with all the associated problems. I didn’t see it as anarchic or libertarian. Quite the opposite, it felt unfree like communist societies in Eastern Europe.

Re: Ursula Le Guin Books

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Le Guin is a writer who, for me at least, really understands and likes people. Perhaps that relates to her deep knowledge of anthropology, mentioned by others. She also deeply respected indigenous cultures. The two are combined in "Always Coming Home". And if you want a fascinating, multi-perspectival take on racism and slavery, the "story suite" "Five Ways to Forgiveness" is masterful. And of course, the "Earthsea" novels are incredible, and have the best-written dragons I've read. She is just fantastic.
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