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Beyond Meat’s Beyond Burger life cycle assessment (2018)

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Post by seanwilson »

gnull wrote: post #764
seanwilson wrote: post #733

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> Pigs are stunned, hanged by their back legs and have their throats cut. What's the problem? Because the above is obviously very cruel and nobody would like it done to them to say the least? Would you say the same if it was for dogs, cats or horses? The obvious cruelty of the above is only ignored because it's normalised through culture and tradition.

> nobody would like it done to them […] Would you say the same if it was for dogs, cats or horses? Yes, I would. If an animal needs to be killed, this is one of the most humane way to do this. Where I'm from, a lot of farm animals die more painful deaths (nobody can afford electric shockers there). This is one of the least painful ways to die. If I had to die and wanted a painless death, I'd choose being stunned with…

"If this is inhumane, how should humane slaughtering look like according to you?"

Have you considered the answer is that there isn't a humane way to slaughter and that's why the people in the video had that reaction? Even if you've grown up seeing this, I don't see how you can describe slitting the throat of something that doesn't need to or want to die as humane. It's even more indefensible when there's many meat alternatives now.

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Post by daddylongstroke »

spicymaki wrote: post #317
King-Aaron wrote: post #208

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Plants don't want to die either, and they do their best to evolve specifically to avoid death.

Personally I would love to have a device that would pull carbon out of the air and produce proteins. We are not there yet, so plants are the next best thing.

You don't need a device. It already exists, and has existed for hundreds of thousands of years. It's the ruminant-grass-soil-microbe energy cycle.

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Post by daddylongstroke »

ge96 wrote: post #409
ge96 wrote: post #168

The "living" argument is interesting. What about nature itself that eats each other, that is meat. Lab grown meat would be something.

I get it though, pretty f'd watching a chick get thrown into a grinder for being a male, etc... It's tough... on the other hand nice how convenient it is to just walk into any store and buy food.

Can you really call what they sell in stores food?

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Post by daddylongstroke »

Melting_Harps wrote: post #586

Why can't people just eat vegetables instead? Seriously, I've worked at a renown vegan and vegetarian restaurant and I never understood why people didn't just eat veg/tofu stir-fry instead of having us go through so much non-sense to re-invent a burger or a crabcake? The things took so much effort and were an inferior version to the real thing, not to mention the amount of oils necessary to keep them intact. The clos…

I couldn't agree more with you. However, the following I disagree with: >The real issue to the obesity issue in much of the West is a lack of exercise coupled with over consumption of calories, from all sources be it veg or animal protein...

I really don't think exercise has anything to do with it. I also don't think the number of calories has much to do with it either. I believe it's largely the type of calorie that's mostly ingested by Americans, especially poor Americans: simple carbohydrates. The processed sugars, processed grains and simple carbs are causing most of the damage to our quickly declining health. Frankly the country and most of the world is addicted to sugars of one kind or another.

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Post by daddylongstroke »

Melting_Harps wrote: post #586

Why can't people just eat vegetables instead? Seriously, I've worked at a renown vegan and vegetarian restaurant and I never understood why people didn't just eat veg/tofu stir-fry instead of having us go through so much non-sense to re-invent a burger or a crabcake? The things took so much effort and were an inferior version to the real thing, not to mention the amount of oils necessary to keep them intact. The clos…

I would also like to add, that India is not being hit hard at all. I know this seems counter-intuitive based on the constant bombardment by the main stream media, but India's death toll is significantly under the US, UK, and other countries death tolls (per capita). India simply didn't have a first surge when the rest of the world was at it's apex...it seems it just took longer for Covid to spread through India.

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Post by prteja11 »

daddylongstroke wrote: post #766
spicymaki wrote: post #763

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> No, most humans could not afford to be vegetarians or vegans. There are large vegetarian human populations such as people in parts of India. >Most humans, although not in the Serengeti as you put it, are in fact, fighting for survival. Humans fighting for survival cannot choose things freely. I am going to go out on a limb and claim that the majority of the HN audience can make choices. > Most humans choose meat, b…

>There are large vegetarian human populations such as people in parts of India. This is a common fallacy. There are at least a couple of studies that show the negative health effects of "vegetarian" Indians after they moved to the US. They were very surprised to find that despite eating the same things as they would in India, their blood work would come back with nutritional deficiencies and contribute to poor overal…

Reading this will give someone a stroke.

> the vegetable plots were not sprayed with pesticides (like they would be in the US), and so they consumed a fairly large amount of animal (insect) flesh as a result

This doesn’t make any sense. When you eat/cook vegetables, you don’t leave insects on it. You actually wash the vegetable. What you are suggesting is gross and so u healthy.

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Post by NicoJuicy »

sweetheart wrote: post #770
NicoJuicy wrote: post #759

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And you think that's the default? You know how many people/farmers actually care about animals? The exception doesn't make the rule. ( My dad was a veterinarian. So I have a lot of personal experience on the subject, under belgian law ofc)

These are all industry standard practices throughout the world. This is how the majority of meat is produced. If you find it abhorrent, then you find most animal products abhorrent.

That's not even remotely true. Eg. Europe doesn't want any meat imported from the US.

Different standards...

Perhaps educate yourself before claiming things.

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Post by psychometry »

wyager wrote: post #730
psychometry wrote: post #676

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What are you, some sort of beef industry lobbyist? This is a widely accepted fact among the medical community and supported by reams of evidence. Metabolism has almost nothing to do with this. The link between environmental exposure (red meat, smoking, etc.) and cancer has to do with DNA damage and inflammation. https://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2021/03/17/bacon-sa... The rest of your comment is clearly irrele…

Yeah, I’m paid to shill on HN by Big Beef. “Reams of evidence” for an extremely weak effect more than counterbalanced by nutritional benefits.

Ok, I'll bite. Let's see a citation for your absurd claims.

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Post by sedatk »

sedatk wrote: post #335
neuro_image2 wrote: post #298

I am an avid meat-lover but it does play on my conscience that I am in fact eating a former sentient being and potentially contributing to environmental devastation. I would appreciate answers to the following two, albeit simplistic questions that always plaque me when I consider stopping eating meat products: 1) Is it really unethical to eat animals when the natural trajectory of most animals lives was likely to be…

> If I made a personal decision to stop eating meat, would there be any significant impact at all on the overall environment realistically? I couldn't find the source for this now, but I read somewhere that just skipping one meat-based meal a day would have more positive environmental impact than all your other individual efforts (recycling, solar, avoiding plastics etc) combined for the same day.

Since somebody downvoted, I assume for the missing source, here is an excerpt:

"As well as revealing a significant reduction in greenhouse gas emissions, these new findings demonstrated that switching just one red meat meal to plant-based a week could result in a 23 percent reduction (8 million hectares) in the UK’s domestic and international farmland use, and a 2 percent reduction in the UK’s water use (the same as taking 55 fewer showers per person per year)."

https://theecologist.org/2019/jun/07/swapping-one-meal-day

I'll leave the rest to the reader to come up with the conclusion.

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