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Re: Use Alacritty instead of Termite

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Post by nemoden »

xyzzy_plugh wrote: post #257
sseneca wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, this was my take away as well. Also, iirc their claims of Alacritty being the "fastest" are dubious at best. I used Kitty for a while instead, which is very similar. More recently I've been trying out Foot: https://codeberg.org/dnkl/foot

Dubious indeed. I gave Alacritty a really good shot, as I was super excited to have a faster terminal. But my entire experience was plagued with slowdowns -- huge latencies, cat'ing huge files was very slow. I spent tons of time trying to tune things to make it good but it just never got there. Basically every other "simple" terminal I've found behaves better -- xterm, urxvt, konsole, even iTerm2. I have no idea how…

I did quite a bit of testing of alacritty, kitty, iTerm2, and default macos terminal. Kitty shown best results even using test that alacritty is using (tree /) vim is faster in kitty (by perception), both when ran without multiplexor and inside tmux session

Re: Use Alacritty instead of Termite

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Post by phasnox »

sime2009 wrote: post #238
logimame wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, I thought the dev’s response was adequate here. Just posting on the issue section that the “colors are wrong” while comparing with uxrvt, without any explanation or self-investigation as to why this could be a problem, has ample potential to be regarded as rude to the devs (I’m using this another terminal app and have better colors, why aren’t you fixing this?) And please note that Mac OS is NOTORIOUS for…

> To be fair, I thought the dev’s response was adequate here No it wasn't. It was bad. Granted, the original bug report could have been a bit clearer, but the reporter was more than happy to help out and promptly responded to the questions and even some checking of the RGB of the colour in question, and then offered to open up a new related issue. But the dev in this case took the worse interpretation of the reporter…

> Aparently the defaults are poor. The default green is 0xb9ca4a which is actually yellow. I think it would be a good idea to copy the default colors from urxvt.

Sounds a little bit entitled to me..

Re: Use Alacritty instead of Termite

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Post by cryptonector »

apocolyps6 wrote: post #195

I was considering switching to Alacritty earlier this week, but a quick look at some github issues changed my mind. The devs come off super toxic. Take a look at this guy that got verbal abuse for pointing out the color labeled "green" looks more like banana than lime: https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/issues/1561 Strike 2/2 was multiple devs responding to OSX issues with "switch operating systems"

Wow, that's an ugly dev response.

Re: Use Alacritty instead of Termite

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Post by cryptonector »

phasnox wrote: post #262
sime2009 wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To be fair, I thought the dev’s response was adequate here No it wasn't. It was bad. Granted, the original bug report could have been a bit clearer, but the reporter was more than happy to help out and promptly responded to the questions and even some checking of the RGB of the colour in question, and then offered to open up a new related issue. But the dev in this case took the worse interpretation of the reporter…

> Aparently the defaults are poor. The default green is 0xb9ca4a which is actually yellow. I think it would be a good idea to copy the default colors from urxvt. Sounds a little bit entitled to me..

Opinionated, maybe. Entitled?? That's way out of line.

Re: Use Alacritty instead of Termite

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Post by zlynx »

zokier wrote: post #176
vladvasiliu wrote: post #142

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Well, you're right, technically. But in that case, all terminal applications have latency, so is your point that the parent's complaint is unfounded? In these kinds of discussions, the talk is usually about perceived latency not absolute latency. If it feels like there's basically none, then it's good enough. It doesn't mean there's absolutely 0.0 ns latency. > Different people have different sensitivity to latency T…

> But in that case, all terminal applications have latency, so is your point that the parent's complaint is unfounded? All terminals have latency, but that doesn't mean that all terminals have equal latency. Point was that anecdotes about subjective instantaneity are pretty meaningless, especially without any reference point. It would be much more meaningful to substantiate the discussion with actual data; the measur…

Some applications using OpenGL or Vulkan and Wayland compositing end up with latency related to one or two frames of the screen refresh. Which means that characters appear onscreen much faster on a 144 or 240 Hz display.

Not really a surprise but something to be aware of.

Re: Use Alacritty instead of Termite

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Post by barrkel »

codemac wrote: post #164
rthomas6 wrote: post #141

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> On the other hand Gnome3 is the first Linux desktop that I think is really non power user friendly. I think Plasma and Cinnamon also belong in this group.

Considering Cinnamon is a fork of Gnome 3, it seems to be significant evidence of Gnome 3's influence. And Plasma was first released in 2014, 3 years after Gnome 3. Gnome 3 had a HUGE affect on desktop environments, due to Gnome 2's popularity.

Cinnamon basically makes Gnome feel more like Windows.

Re: Use Alacritty instead of Termite

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Post by mrslave »

apocolyps6 wrote: post #195

I was considering switching to Alacritty earlier this week, but a quick look at some github issues changed my mind. The devs come off super toxic. Take a look at this guy that got verbal abuse for pointing out the color labeled "green" looks more like banana than lime: https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/issues/1561 Strike 2/2 was multiple devs responding to OSX issues with "switch operating systems"

Thanks for calling this out. This is not something I would have thought to check myself. It's unfortunate the most common use of the word toxic is in a very abstract sense, but the behavior you identify is just plain unnecessary rudeness and a much more suitable use of the word.

Can we assume people are acting in good faith until we have reason to think otherwise? As highlighted by the green-is-yellow issue, it is OK to simply say, "Understood. The color scheme has been previously discussed, is popular and isn't currently considered for change. But you can configure it yourself by ..." The accusation of an entitled attitude appears a bit of a leap to me too. To be fair, while a tad rude in tone, the dev's second post is an improvement.

Or perhaps, "We don't have a lot of resources for this level of detail. Sorry." (Open-source honesty?) Or even, "If you wrote a patch taking the values from rxvt it would be considered but possibly rejected after discussing policy with lead devs."

Re: Use Alacritty instead of Termite

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Post by pikelet »

sime2009 wrote: post #238
logimame wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, I thought the dev’s response was adequate here. Just posting on the issue section that the “colors are wrong” while comparing with uxrvt, without any explanation or self-investigation as to why this could be a problem, has ample potential to be regarded as rude to the devs (I’m using this another terminal app and have better colors, why aren’t you fixing this?) And please note that Mac OS is NOTORIOUS for…

> To be fair, I thought the dev’s response was adequate here No it wasn't. It was bad. Granted, the original bug report could have been a bit clearer, but the reporter was more than happy to help out and promptly responded to the questions and even some checking of the RGB of the colour in question, and then offered to open up a new related issue. But the dev in this case took the worse interpretation of the reporter…

And from the dev's followup explanation it just feels like their default is that everyone is entitled so they react accordingly. That response sure came out of left field, and I think the dev is lacking a little self awareness. Taking a defensive stance from the beginning is just bound to cause unnecessary drama.
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