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California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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The other thing to remember is you generally expect population growth. Even if the decline isn't significant, it means theirs no growth. This is a good thing. California is a horrible horrible place for most working class people. You will never get ahead.

I take your point but I’m skeptical. Has any place ever seen a decline in population lead to an increase in general prosperity?

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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post #18

Paradise on Earth and home to the world’s brightest-future industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming from much less eco-friendly places.

Fire season is more like hell on earth than paradise, unfortunately.

Paradise, California was hell on earth.

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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post #18

Paradise on Earth and home to the world’s brightest-future industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming from much less eco-friendly places.

Yes, this is basically a testament to bad government and failure to address the housing problem.

It turns out if you make homes unaffordable, people leave and look for a place where they can afford to live. Who knew?

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Don't fabs require tons of water?

Barely any compared to an orchard.

That sounds like a deflection. Besides, orchards can't grow in just any soil. What about fabs? Why is California an ideal location?

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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The state can invest billions of dollars into affordable housing, and simultaneously allow private developers to invest billions of their own dollars to meet demand from people at the top. Impeding the latter does nothing to help the former.

Where do the extra billions come from?

If people's rent went to producing more housing and paying for the labor and materials of that housing, and we simultaneously invested in the trades to make sure there was consistent and good pay and that there was enough labor, there would be more than enough money.

If we try to take money from income taxes, it won't work.

We need to stop transferring wealth to unproductive rentiers (landlords), and instead transfer it to labor which will produce what we need.

The reason this doesn't happen is that the rentiers control the zoning boards.

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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post #71
post #39

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Motive isn’t evidence. I haven’t seen any serious criticism of data collection methods. Just doubting results based on “stood to gain” is silly unless there’s actual evidence. In what world would there be a conspiracy to reduce california population by 200k?

Considering that is how congressional seats are apportioned, there is plenty of reason to fudge the numbers.

That's just fear mongering and conspiracy theories. Looks like someone watched too much CNN/Fox.
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