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Re: Searching the web for under $1000/month

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Post by Dylan16807 »

gmiller123456 wrote: post #129

Curious to know if anyone can explain why on-line storage is so expensive? Most places want $100+/mo for 1TB of storage, while a 1TB drive only costs $50. I understand there's management costs, cooling, electricity, physical space, etc. But those would be per drive costs, not per TB, and certainly wouldn't add up to $100/mo. Meanwhile, there's services like Google Drive, etc which costs about $100/yr per TB. Still ex…

The big clouds have premium storage and absolutely gouge on bandwidth.

For a more basic offering, B2 is $60 a year and there are other services in the same ballpark. They definitely want it to be convenient for you, and make a modest profit percentage.

I haven't experienced any issues with google drive tokens, though I've mostly been using the business tier.

Re: Searching the web for under $1000/month

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Post by BugWatch »

gmiller123456 wrote: post #129

Curious to know if anyone can explain why on-line storage is so expensive? Most places want $100+/mo for 1TB of storage, while a 1TB drive only costs $50. I understand there's management costs, cooling, electricity, physical space, etc. But those would be per drive costs, not per TB, and certainly wouldn't add up to $100/mo. Meanwhile, there's services like Google Drive, etc which costs about $100/yr per TB. Still ex…

Well, there are also data integrity issues to take into account... in the simplest terms, you'd actually need 3x the available storage to "guarantee" that there won't be any bit nor data loss if a single drive (our of three) - does... Add a potential (mandatory?) off-site backup, means of restoring it, and... Not even getting into the bandwidth cost can of worms.

Again, this is in very simple (and low-scale) terms.

Re: Searching the web for under $1000/month

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Post by gmiller123456 »

cbellew wrote: post #130
gmiller123456 wrote: post #129

Curious to know if anyone can explain why on-line storage is so expensive? Most places want $100+/mo for 1TB of storage, while a 1TB drive only costs $50. I understand there's management costs, cooling, electricity, physical space, etc. But those would be per drive costs, not per TB, and certainly wouldn't add up to $100/mo. Meanwhile, there's services like Google Drive, etc which costs about $100/yr per TB. Still ex…

Don't forget the replication. S3 replicates to at least three other AZs in the same region. I know this still doesn't account for the difference but its worth remembering.

I can see extra features costing more, but a lot of people would be happy with nothing but a network connected drive. If it goes bad, it's bad. Hopefully I have a backup somewhere.

Re: Searching the web for under $1000/month

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Post by BugWatch »

BugWatch wrote: post #132
gmiller123456 wrote: post #129

Curious to know if anyone can explain why on-line storage is so expensive? Most places want $100+/mo for 1TB of storage, while a 1TB drive only costs $50. I understand there's management costs, cooling, electricity, physical space, etc. But those would be per drive costs, not per TB, and certainly wouldn't add up to $100/mo. Meanwhile, there's services like Google Drive, etc which costs about $100/yr per TB. Still ex…

Well, there are also data integrity issues to take into account... in the simplest terms, you'd actually need 3x the available storage to "guarantee" that there won't be any bit nor data loss if a single drive (our of three) - does... Add a potential (mandatory?) off-site backup, means of restoring it, and... Not even getting into the bandwidth cost can of worms. Again, this is in very simple (and low-scale) terms.

bit rot, dies (my HN client offers no edit option)

Re: Searching the web for under $1000/month

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Post by gmiller123456 »

BugWatch wrote: post #132
gmiller123456 wrote: post #129

Curious to know if anyone can explain why on-line storage is so expensive? Most places want $100+/mo for 1TB of storage, while a 1TB drive only costs $50. I understand there's management costs, cooling, electricity, physical space, etc. But those would be per drive costs, not per TB, and certainly wouldn't add up to $100/mo. Meanwhile, there's services like Google Drive, etc which costs about $100/yr per TB. Still ex…

Well, there are also data integrity issues to take into account... in the simplest terms, you'd actually need 3x the available storage to "guarantee" that there won't be any bit nor data loss if a single drive (our of three) - does... Add a potential (mandatory?) off-site backup, means of restoring it, and... Not even getting into the bandwidth cost can of worms. Again, this is in very simple (and low-scale) terms.

It seems very presumptuous to assume there is no market for people who don't need all of those things. I can back up and restore my own data. Might take a while, but that should be my choice. Nor does it explain why web services like Google Drive is 1/10th the cost per TB of the same volume size on a cloud server.

Re: Searching the web for under $1000/month

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Post by [deleted] »

fulmicoton wrote: post #36
jonatron wrote: post #16

If you're going for low cost, you could do better: https://www.hetzner.com/dedicated-rootserver/dell/dx181/conf... Basic configuration in Finland 1 224,91 € 1.92 TB SATA SSD Datacenter Edition 4 95,20 € 320,11 € 320 Euro equals 385.90 United States Dollar

This is a complex misunderstanding... First, we are getting better throughput from S3 than I we were using a SATA SSD. (and slower than a NVMe SSD). This is a bit of a secret. Of course, single sequential throughput on S3 sucks. At the end of the day the data is stored on spining disk and we cannot do anything against the law physics. ... but we can concurrently read many disks using s3. Network is our only bottlenec…

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Re: Searching the web for under $1000/month

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Post by foodbaby »

fulmicoton wrote: post #61
2Gkashmiri wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about setting up minio on these hertzner setups? You get benefit of s3 on cheap hardware without aws costs

Absolutely! I want to try that.. We are especially interested in testing the latency minio could offer.

Can you get the same throughout and low costs as minio?

There’s the extra burden of managing the minio servers.

Re: Searching the web for under $1000/month

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Post by weird-eye-issue »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #128
arcturus17 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> AWS is almost never cost efficient. A ridiculous blanket statement, despite the "almost never" cop-out... It is cost-efficient in a wide array of scenarios. Many companies pay for it because they have calculated the different investment scenarios and AWS comes on top of alternatives such as owning the hardware or using competing cloud vendors. I own a consultancy that builds complex web apps and while I appreciate…

Name an AWS tier that there's no cheaper alternative for. I'm only aware of Glacier, I haven't seen anything cheaper than it. AWS is convenient and reliable, but it's not cheap.

Cheap is a whole lot different than cost efficient.

Re: Searching the web for under $1000/month

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Post by BombNullIsland »

wongarsu wrote: post #106
whoknew1122 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclosure: Work at AWS. I've never seen AWS actively try to trick people into spending more money. I've seen Premium Support, product service teams, solutions architects, and account managers all suggest not to use AWS services if it doesn't fit the customer usecase. I've personally recommended non-AWS options for customers who are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Can the billing console be better? Yes.…

> pricing is transparent If pricing is intended to be transparent, then why is it completely absent from the user interface? Transparent pricing would be to tell me how much something costs when I order it, not make me use a different tool or find it in the documentation

If you're so incompetent that you can't estimate your costs, a fixed price microserver built into a dilapidated wooden shanty with no obvious fire protection system is what you should be buying.
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