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California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Post by Tostino »

prepend wrote: post #39
wavefunction wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The process was highly politicized and one party and the one in power while the census was administered stood to gain from sowing doubt, fear and confusion. I think the actual results gathering was handled normally but the idea of course was to depress census response rates.

Motive isn’t evidence. I haven’t seen any serious criticism of data collection methods. Just doubting results based on “stood to gain” is silly unless there’s actual evidence. In what world would there be a conspiracy to reduce california population by 200k?

Considering that is how congressional seats are apportioned, there is plenty of reason to fudge the numbers.

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Post by raldi »

thaumaturgy wrote: post #63
raldi wrote: post #18

Paradise on Earth and home to the world’s brightest-future industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming from much less eco-friendly places.

I'm usually a huge cheerleader for most things California, but I think this comment is missing some important considerations. Namely, people don't just need housing, they also need food, energy, water, transportation, waste management, employment, education, health care, and space for recreation. Every new home that goes up requires a lot of infrastructure to support a healthy population. And people don't want to be…

Addressed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27082295

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Post by agogdog »

cauliflower2718 wrote: post #43
raldi wrote: post #18

Paradise on Earth and home to the world’s brightest-future industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming from much less eco-friendly places.

Fire season is more like hell on earth than paradise, unfortunately.

If housing in California were affordable I'd come and sweep the forests myself.

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Post by seibelj »

fennecfoxen wrote: post #42
mmmBacon wrote: post #36

As a resident of California, I would greatly prefer fewer people. Losing population isn’t necessarily something negative in my opinion.

Your state’s unfunded pension obligations say otherwise. You’ll want help paying those.

Given the recent bailout of private multi employer pension funds inside of a “COVID Relied Bill” makes me think the democrats will just bail it out.

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Post by epistasis »

There are several comments on this page from people who say they are in California and think this news is a good thing, and also seem to perversely think that it's not a terrible terrible sign for any native Californian who isn't already tremendously wealthy.

This is probably my biggest complaint about California: there is this incredibly wrong strain of thought that keeping people out will somehow make everyone's lives here better. It does not, unless you are benefiting directly from how housing austerity drives up prices of housing and everything else.

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Post by the_optimist »

Hotel California is now the place you never check in. You're a visitor, like it or not.

The established interests in California are hostile to the people who would live in it. Life is dirty, crowded, and economically inhospitable, and the future promises more of the same.

Re: California population declines for first time in more than a century

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Post by Guest42 »

raldi wrote: post #18

Paradise on Earth and home to the world’s brightest-future industry; California could easily grow to 100M residents if it simply allowed housing to be built to accommodate all the people who want to live here. And it would be a net win for the climate, because most of them would be coming from much less eco-friendly places.

Another issue I see is empty houses and 85-percent filled apartment complexes.

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Post by olivermarks »

hellbannedguy wrote: post #65
reidjs wrote: post #6

Finally some good news for CA natives. It sucks not being able to afford to live where you grew up. Maybe this will ease the housing market a bit?

I'm for building reasonably priced housing, and apartments. In CA, Governor Neusome signed some sort of mandate, that put hard limits (build more you NIMBY's) on new housing. It was done for the right reasons. A lot of his wealthy supporters could care less about rent, but he doesn't seem to be able to be bought--yet. It's tied to state funds? I would like to know more, but too lazy to do research. Our little towns,…

@hellbannedguy interesting that you went to school with Newsom/Getty. I live in California, am a registered Democrat and signed the recall. He doesn't seem to comprehend, or has some discordian delight in the full horror of the drug epidemic and attendant homeless crisis and appears to actively encourage US homeless to move to coastal California, some of the most expensive and desirable real estate on earth, where he will 'provide permanent homes' for them.

The cities are overrun, sanitation and safety is badly compromised, yet half the US homeless are in California with more coming. This is a primary reason along with cost of living why people are leaving.

This video about Bonin, supervisor for world famous Venice Beach in LA encapsulates the mayhem and dystopian lack of logic exhibited by the current bureaucracy. https://vimeo.com/532718306

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